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Default The Syrian Lebanese Higher Council - 25th July 2008

Introduction:

The Fraternity, Cooperation and Coordination Treaty has been brought forward to express the nature of the distinguished Lebanese-Syrian relationships, in addition to the historical, fateful and fraternal ties which were embodied in a structural, economical, cultural and political life cycle throughout the ages on one hand, and to interpret legitimately and practically what the Lebanese National Pact - signed in Altaef on 22/10/1989 and ratified by the Parliamentary Council on 5/11/1989 - has stated, on the other hand. That pact has determined the following:

"Lebanon, the Arabic state in belonging and identity, has true fraternal ties with all the Arab states..."


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Fraternity, Cooperation and Coordination Treaty:

Based on what was mentioned above, a Treaty has been signed on May 22, 1991. That Treaty has formed a peculiar leap in the two states' relationships process during the current historical stage. Within the framework of this Treaty, many objectives have been determined. To accomplish those objectives, several joint organisms have been established on the authority of this Treaty to watch over the implementation of its provisions and agreements that might be issued. These joint organisms are:


1. The Syrian Lebanese Higher Council

The Higher Council shall be formed from:
  • The presidents of both contracting countries.
  • The speaker of the Peoples' Assembly, the Prime Minister and the Vice Prime Minister of the Syrian Arab Republic.
  • The Parliament Speaker, the Prime Minister and the Vice Prime Minister of the Republic of Lebanon.


The Higher Council shall set up the general policy of coordination and cooperation between the two states in all fields (political, economical, social and many other fields), and shall supervise its implementation and adopt the plans and decisions taken by “the Follow-Up and Coordination Commission", “the Foreign Affairs Committee", “the Committee for Economic and Social Affairs”, “the Committee for Defense and Security Affairs” or any committee established subsequently. The decisions of the Higher Council shall be binding and effective within the framework of the constitutional regulations of the two states. Furthermore, the Higher Council determines the matters in which the concerned committees have the right to take decisions that shall become enforceable once issued in accordance with the constitutional regulations and procedures in both countries, or in a way that is not incompatible with these regulations and procedures.

The Higher Council shall meet once a year and when necessary in a venue to be agreed on.


2. The Follow-up and Coordination Commission

The Follow-up and Coordination Commission shall be formed of the prime ministers of both countries and a number of ministers concerned with the bilateral relations of the two countries.

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3. The joint committees formed under the Treaty
  • The Foreign Affairs Committee
  • The Committee for Economic and Social Affairs
  • The Committee for Defense and Security Affairs

In addition, under the provisions of the Treaty and the agreements emanating from it, joint ministerial committees have been formed including all other sectors. And all these committees shall be formed from the concerned ministers in the two countries.


4. The General Secretariat

A General Secretariat chaired by a Secretary-General, has been created to follow up the implementation of the "Fraternity, Cooperation and Coordination Treaty", and by the resolution number (1) dated 16/8/1993, Mr. Nassri Alkhoury was appointed as the Secretary-General of the Higher Council before which he shall be responsible for the General Secretariat's bodies proper execution of their determined tasks. The General Secretariat headquarters, competences, staff and budget have all determined by another decision of the Higher Council issued in Damascus on 21/12/1993. The General-Secretariat rules of procedure together with its financial system have been ratified up to the over mentioned decision along with their amendments by resolution number (27) signed in Damascus on 7/3/2005. The General secretariats' rules of procedure and financial system are concisely as follows:

The General Secretariat shall be formed from the administrative and the technical cadre chaired by a Secretary-General and shall be specialized in following up the implementation of the provisions of the Treaty. The aforementioned cadre shall include a group of specialists, experts, executives and a technical staff.

The General Secretariat takes Damascus as a headquarter.

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The joint ministerial committees, subcommittees, and competent technical committees

In addition to the joint ministerial committees that have been formed according to the Treaty and the other committees formed in accordance to the agreements stemmed, other competent technical committees and subcommittees have been created to include almost all of the sectors:

Electricity, oil, natural gas, communication, postage, industry, economics, transportation, public works, agriculture, water, education, vocational and technical education, higher education, culture, youth and sport, social affairs, social security, labor, health, tourism, environment, development and administrative reform, information, justice, common frontiers points, customs, housing and cooperatives, the National Council for Scientific Researches and the Higher Council of Sciences, the National Council for Scientific Researches and the General Board of Remote Sensing, the National Council for Scientific Researches and the Water Researches Center, the National Council for Scientific Researches and the General Establishment of Geology and Mineral resources, the National Council for Scientific Researches and the Syrian Center of Studies and Scientific Researches, The National Council for Scientific Researches and the Atomic Energy Commission, the National Council for Scientific Researches and the National Information Center, cooperation in the field of industrial researches, cooperation in the information field.

Syrian Lebanese Higher Council

What do you think of the Syrian Lebanese Higher Council, has it been beneficial to Lebanon and what should be the future steps?

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Based on my expertise, I can only attest to the treaties we signed under the guidance of this Council for water sharing. I can sum it up very easily....we got scr****!!!


Here's an example: Syria takes 3/4 of water from Nahr el Assi, which starts in Lebanon and travels for a good distance within Lebanon. I was witness to the so-called "scientific" studies in support of the final flow volumes. Syrian and Lebanese scientists together measured river flow during several occasions using different equipment. Very different numbers came out from the 2 teams, what ended up in the final recommendation report were the Syrian numbers that were much higher than reality...of course to Syria's advantage. All the work was done in the Bekaa under escort by the Syrian army

Now translate this incident to the rest of signed agreements and you'll get an idea how we got shafted.

There should be a legal exit to treaties signed under occupation, no? Any legal forumers who can provide input?
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I've heard most of March14 leaders speak out against it and called for disbanding it.
I heard Berri and several opposition leaders speak out in favor of it.

Where does FPM stand regarding this issue?
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FPM didn't talk about it yet
can you tell us why you want it to be disbanded ??? convince me
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Where does FPM stand regarding this issue?
I say: disband this useless council. It's a perfect example of the inequality and the lion-gazelle relationship between the two *cough* sister *cough* countries.
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Most of you just write things and shoot in the air without even checking facts. According to the treaty, Lebanon receives 80 million m3 when the volume is 403 m3. That is 20% of the total. Now: consider that the river flows 10 km inside Lebanon and the remaining 400 km are in syria and up to turkey, and consider how much water do we use and how much water Syria needs, you think it is fair?

LF with their usual hatred just spew BS to claim that they are defenders of Lebanon. (big BS because they burnt Lebnanon). Check facts and when there is a treaty that is bad for Lebanon then everybody should support a renegotiation. I 100% sure that LF will be happy to give all wazzani water to Israel.
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Most of you just write things and shoot in the air without even checking facts. According to the treaty, Lebanon receives 80 million m3 when the volume is 403 m3. That is 20% of the total. Now: consider that the river flows 10 km inside Lebanon and the remaining 400 km are in syria and up to turkey, and consider how much water do we use and how much water Syria needs, you think it is fair?

LF with their usual hatred just spew BS to claim that they are defenders of Lebanon. (big BS because they burnt Lebnanon). Check facts and when there is a treaty that is bad for Lebanon then everybody should support a renegotiation. I 100% sure that LF will be happy to give all wazzani water to Israel.
Its been 15 yrs since I did those measurements, I will dig up my field notes and prove to you that we got shafted. Lets then see who writes things without checking facts...bare with me till I find those notes, I never thought I'd need them to refute an ignorant post like yours.
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scrap this council. It is nothin more than ink on paper. It doesn't work for lebanon's benefit. Scrap it and remove Khoury.
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Its been 15 yrs since I did those measurements, I will dig up my field notes and prove to you that we got shafted. Lets then see who writes things without checking facts...bare with me till I find those notes, I never thought I'd need them to refute an ignorant post like yours.
Be my guest and dig up whatever you want. The deal says 80 million m3 for lebanon when the flow is 403 million m3. Now get your measurement and field notes that will change the numbers in the treaty. You are shooting yourself in the leg if you want to change the treaty. be happy to have 20% when the river flows 10 km in your territory while it flows 400 km in other's. People just want to shoot in the air without chaking facts... like you did.
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بعض الباحثين لهم العديد من الملاحظات على اتفافية مياه نهر العاصي من اهمها:

- ان عتماد الكيل لتصريف النهر على جسر الهرمل كما ورد في الاتفاقية غير دقيق وما كان يجب القيام به هو كيل التصريف على الحدود مباشرة , لانه ثمة عدد غير قليل من الينابيع والروافد تصب في النهر بعد الجسر .

- التصريف السنوي للنهر 411 مليون متر مكعب وليس 403 مليون متر مكعب كما ذكر في الاتفاقية .

- في سنوات الشح يجب ان يكون التناقص من حصة لبنان بنسبة الشح وليس تلقائيا خصم 20% من حصة لبنان كما هو مطروح في الاتفاقية.

- حق لبنان المطلق في مياه نبع اللبوة وليس كما ورد في الاتفاقية يستفيد لبنان من هذه المياه للري فقط ولمدة خمسة اشهر من السنة .

وغيرها من الملاحظات التي نتركها للتاريخ عله يوما ما يؤخذ بها من قبل سلطة تحافظ على حقوق الوطن والمواطن .

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