SSNP candidates

[Venom]

Ghassan el Achkar will not make it to the parliament....he will be the weakest link if he is going to run with us..........

[ZakiNassif]

Originally Posted by Venom

Ghassan el Achkar will not make it to the parliament....he will be the weakest link if he is going to run with us..........

True and GMA told the SSNP that, but they insisted.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

No one forgets anything.And everybody used to have a militia.Even the Dekkanjeh in front of my house.

I was merely answering the guy who said that he respects less militias who killed people.

And if the dekkanjeh in front of ur house had a militian or was in one, that doesn't mean that he committed less crimes than others.
People use the argument against Kataeb and LF that they were militias and responsible of many killings...

But hey, so were the SSNP!! SURPRISE!!!!

All militias (by definition) fought the civil war.

LF and Kataeb and co. were allied to Israel...

ummm okk..
Did you see me defend Israel, Kataeb or LF in any of my posts ?
I have more than 1000 of them, please feel free to search in them

You're right.I heard that they fought along the dark side of the force.

Everyone knows what they did and what they still do.
There's a reason why a lot of FPMers don't like them.

No one ever denied what Michel El Murr ever was.Yet FPM accepted to give him a chance.

That's what they wanted you to believe.
Michel el Murr was and still is a thug, the FPM allied with him for electoral reasons.

The FPM is not a charity foundation, they don't give people chances, that's how it works.

And even Michel Aoun said the moment he declared the alliance with Michel el Murr that it's gonna be an electoral alliance.
Which means that it was NEVER a chance given to this man.

Oh...So now SSNP are loyal just for a seat in Parliament.Says who?
And how did you reach such conclusion?

I've never heard the SSNP support the FPM before 2005

Actually I had heard the SSNP call for Michel Aoun to be judged because he was an Israeli agent.

I have seen the SSNP supporting the beating of FPMers in the streets.
(Of course you wouldn't know about it, since you weren't part of these marches)

And most of all I've never seen the FPM support the SSNP ever before, knowing that the latter never changed their political line.

That is probably the best thing FPM would be doing,agter the MOU.

That's the latest rumor i heard about the man so far.Care to prove your allegations or is it just that you're used to throw things blindly towards the man,without having anyone challenging you over it.

Please post your reply on this one in the subsequent thread.You'll like it there.

I think that only you and that "ya 3ali" dude still believe that Berri is a clean and honest man.

Many of my close friends were threatened directly from Berri's aides because they opposed him.

Even Hezbollah supporters say that Amal are thugs, but they ally with them for the sake of the shiites.
Man, Amal is theoretically a secular party, but I've never seen it act as such since Berri took over.

The Majless el Janoub is directly related to Berri's pockets.

I've known many foundations who wanted to organize some fundraisings in the south, but guess who denied them that right or asked for a share of these funds???????

Comparing a vicious militia that is responsible for all kind of war crimes and "2atel 3al Hawiyyeh" with other participants in the civil war,in order to lessen the guilt of war criminals?

How about Kataeb?

And how about all other militias? Do you have a certain militia that you would prefer over others?

I've never defended any militia.

And again, if you care to show me where I have ever done so, please be my guest.

I have the same view of any militia that ever was involved in the war

No thanks to you.

Can't you finish a post without disrespecting others and spilling your hate and ignorant tone?

Hate and ignorant ?

I'm not the one alluding that Berri is a clean an honest man.

And disrespecting a guy like Berri or like Michel el Murr or a party like the SSNP is merely disrespect if you actually see what they did to the people around them.

You don't make a lot of sense here.Care to elaborate?

Actually I make great sense.

LFers do and say whatever Geagea tells them to do.

They follow him like sheep.

People never used the argument "SSNP is a lebanese party" before Michel Aoun did.

People rejected the SSNP before the FPM decided to ally with them, same thing with Michel el Murr...

Getting clearer here?

[Venom]

Originally Posted by ZakiNassif

True and GMA told the SSNP that, but they insisted.

So FPM should insist on running without SSNP

[Libnene Qu7]

The sooner it is realized that Lebanese politics has nothing to do with principles and ideologies, the easier it will be to understand the unorthodox alliances made for short-term political gains.

Never in my life did I ever imagine that one day PSP and LF will be allied. Well, it happened and they have both gained a lot (mainly, salaries from KSA). If FPM doesn't play a versatile and flexible role in this jungle of a country, it will diminish and become irrelevant.

I never was a fan of SSNP, and I used to be one of those who'd feel extreme anger at the site of their flags in Bliss street, near AUB. But those days are long gone, and today's circumstances are completely different. FPM should ally with SSNP, not out of ideological reasons, but simply because we have a common opponent who is backed by billions of dollars, and with an agenda that is incompatible with our understanding of sovereignty and independence.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by The Jade

I was merely answering the guy who said that he respects less militias who killed people.

And if the dekkanjeh in front of ur house had a militian or was in one, that doesn't mean that he committed less crimes than others.
People use the argument against Kataeb and LF that they were militias and responsible of many killings...

But hey, so were the SSNP!! SURPRISE!!!!

You used the example of SSNP being a militia during the civil war in order to justify not allying with it.

I reminded you that everybody had a militia back then...Even my Dekkanjeh...What was your point again?

Originally Posted by The Jade

ummm okk..
Did you see me defend Israel, Kataeb or LF in any of my posts ?
I have more than 1000 of them, please feel free to search in them

You used the example of SSNP fighting along Palestinians during the civil war,as to discredit it and justify not allying with it.

I told you that others were allied to Israel...May i understand from your latest reply that there is no way on earth that you would accept that FPM ever allies Parties,or should i say,militias,like Kataeb or LF?

Or is it a bigger sin to you,to be allied to Palestinians,than to be allied to Israel?

Originally Posted by The Jade

Everyone knows what they did and what they still do.
There's a reason why a lot of FPMers don't like them.

Yes,I would like to hear a lot about that.So please feel free to elaborate,i'm all ears to you.

Yalla.I'm waiting.

And don't forget to give me explicit details and reasons,that would make you hate them more than any other militia that fought during the civil war.

Originally Posted by The Jade

That's what they wanted you to believe.
Michel el Murr was and still is a thug, the FPM allied with him for electoral reasons.

The FPM is not a charity foundation, they don't give people chances, that's how it works.

And even Michel Aoun said the moment he declared the alliance with Michel el Murr that it's gonna be an electoral alliance.
Which means that it was NEVER a chance given to this man.

I don't believe that you are,or that you will ever be, a spokesperson to FPM.

When GMA says that FPM accepted to give Murr a chance to take the right path,knowing his past,it means that FPM accepted to give Murr a chance to take the right path,knowing his past.

If you have a problem with that,go argue with GMA and ask him why is he lying.

Originally Posted by The Jade

I've never heard the SSNP support the FPM before 2005

I've never heard of a Party called FPM before 2005.

What's your point anyway?

Originally Posted by The Jade

Actually I had heard the SSNP call for Michel Aoun to be judged because he was an Israeli agent.

I have seen the SSNP supporting the beating of FPMers in the streets.
(Of course you wouldn't know about it, since you weren't part of these marches)

You don't know what i know and what i don't.And i advise you not to assume much more than you could ever know,on my behalf.

Yet to get back to your point,I'll even go further than you.I'll assume that SSNP fought GMA and even wanted him dead at some time in history.And today,SSNP finds itself in the same strategic alliance with FPM,and showed signs and will of support for FPM's policies.

What exactly bothers you if the 2 sides come closer to each others?

Habibi,FPM is about openness and tolerance.It tends a hand to everyone that tends it hand to it.FPM is not about eternal hate,intolerance and isolationism.If you can't get that into your head,i wonder what you are doing with FPM's ranks.Maybe you would be more comfortable as Kataebist...Or even LFer.

Originally Posted by The Jade

And most of all I've never seen the FPM support the SSNP ever before, knowing that the latter never changed their political line.

Who's asking you to adopt SSNP's ideology or political line?You are free to believe whatever you like,and they are free to believe whatever they like.

As long as they abide by the law and constitution,and commit themselves to reach out their goals through democratic means,they have the right to do whatever they please,and you are required to respect their beliefs,as much,if not more, as they respect yours.

If you cannot do that,then democracy is not for you.

Originally Posted by The Jade

I think that only you and that "ya 3ali" dude still believe that Berri is a clean and honest man.

I think that you are of those who like to talk alot about what they ignore.

Originally Posted by The Jade

Many of my close friends were threatened directly from Berri's aides because they opposed him.

Never heard of such behavior,and i'm very well placed to know about it.Until you provide proofs,those are lies.

Originally Posted by The Jade

Even Hezbollah supporters say that Amal are thugs, but they ally with them for the sake of the shiites.

Everyone knows that Amal,like every other Lebanese Party, have thugs among its ranks.But never does anyone generalize about that matter,to accuse a whole supporters or members base of being thugs.

You really don't know anything about the supporters and members of Amal Party,so i advise you to check before talking next time.

Originally Posted by The Jade

Man, Amal is theoretically a secular party, but I've never seen it act as such since Berri took over.

Check my post in "Berri the king" thread.

Originally Posted by The Jade

The Majless el Janoub is directly related to Berri's pockets.

Yes and....?

Originally Posted by The Jade

I've known many foundations who wanted to organize some fundraisings in the south, but guess who denied them that right or asked for a share of these funds???????

Examples...Facts...Anything please...Not just the usual rumors.

Anyway,check my post in the Berri thread,and you'll understand better.

Originally Posted by The Jade

I've never defended any militia.

And again, if you care to show me where I have ever done so, please be my guest.

I never said that you're defending any militia,but that you are diminishing the act of performing "war crimes' and "crimes against humanity" and confusing it with usual warfare acts.

That is not so innocent.

Originally Posted by The Jade

I have the same view of any militia that ever was involved in the war

This is where you are wrong.No,some acts are not the same and are not comparable.Read my previous reply.

Originally Posted by The Jade

Hate and ignorant ?

I'm not the one alluding that Berri is a clean an honest man.

And disrespecting a guy like Berri or like Michel el Murr or a party like the SSNP is merely disrespect if you actually see what they did to the people around them.

You're disrespecting whole parties with their supporters and their bases.You can criticize,but at some time,you have to learn to be tolerant and to respect others.

Originally Posted by The Jade

Actually I make great sense.

LFers do and say whatever Geagea tells them to do.

They follow him like sheep.

People never used the argument "SSNP is a lebanese party" before Michel Aoun did.

People rejected the SSNP before the FPM decided to ally with them, same thing with Michel el Murr...

Getting clearer here?

No...Not even close.Simply put:What is your point?

Not accepting that FPM allies anytime with anyone?

[Abou Tony]

Originally Posted by ZakiNassif

True and GMA told the SSNP that, but they insisted.

I am from metn and i tend to disagree.

GA is may not be the strongest Maronite candidate but he is definitely one of the top 3 , and the strongest by far in the SSNP environment .

M. Sebaali is liked but not a votes gatherer , his own village is 90% kataeb and his family is a small one to count as an electoral weight .

The SSNP do have some educated persons who consult polls also :)

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Abou Tony

I am from metn and i tend to disagree.

GA is may not be the strongest Maronite candidate but he is definitely one of the top 3 , and the strongest by far in the SSNP environment .

M. Sebaali is liked but not a votes gatherer , his own village is 90% kataeb and his family is a small one to count as an electoral weight .

The SSNP do have some educated persons who consult polls also :)

Abou Tony , long time :)


why Fady Abboud was not considered? knowing that Achkar could have a negative impact on the list and he might lose....

Thx

[Abou Tony]

I am not sure if Fadi Abboud is party member , his mother is the first cousin of GA and by the way so is Poussy Achkar :)

Fadi abboud uncle , Mansour Azar is the 1st. cousin of GA , they have a feud since 1972 , Mansour Azar ran against Assad Achkar who was the tete de liste with mkhaiber and fouad lahoud and a tachnag .

Mansour spend millions to take away vote and he did take 5000 votes , Assad Achkar , his uncle , lost by 3000 votes and was last in the list due to that .

Ghassan's father , in metn , is looked at as the person who led the SSNP into protecting Chamoun in 1958 and thus protecting the christians against jumblatt and nasser .

His father mzaffat noss el metn , he created champville , belle vue , rabieh , ellissar and beleive it or not some 2000 armenians vote him regardless of tachnag instructions .

GA draws a following out of that from beyond the ssnp members , from the aboujaoudehs , from dbayeh , etc...

The chiites of metn were brought to Metn by GA father after 1958 :)

Abboud if not a party member would not be if elected a part of the ssnp block .

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by KingNothing

Do you also coincide with his stances about human rights, throwing political dissidents in jails with masquerade trials ? (who also were ssnpers not too long ago) and building a fortune when the rest of the country is starving? Actually what do you think of the negotiations he was having with Israel? I didn't see any opposition to that from your party! Or maybe you are willing to integrate Israel in greater Syria these days?

Of course not, and I'm glad you realize that SSNP is actually at odds with the Baath. I am fine with negotiations with Israel, I'm more interested in the well-being of my Nation than the ill-being of Israel.

Specific acts of treason? How do you qualify a coup D'etat? not to mentions the horrors you commited during the war.

History is not that kind to you since you didn't write it. Antoun Saade was murdered without trial. As for the 'horrors' of the war, I admit that the SSNP is responsible, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone.