To some Fpmers or allies:WHy don't you love Gebran bassil?

[nuclearcat]

One more thing, just for information, maybe i am wrong. And this question maybe misinterpreted by FPM opposition.

Is GB elected as figure N2 (pushed as minister and etc) by official elections inside party? (Democratic way)
Or Aoun personally chose him? (feudalism or totalitarism)
Usually in democratic parties key decisions made by voting.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by nuclearcat

One more thing, just for information, maybe i am wrong. And this question maybe misinterpreted by FPM opposition.

Is GB elected as figure N2 (pushed as minister and etc) by official elections inside party? (Democratic way)
Or Aoun personally chose him? (feudalism or totalitarism)
Usually in democratic parties key decisions made by voting.

FPM still didn't have a complete election, and Bassil is working as minister in this period, the same way he was struggling against the syrian occupation.

Many FPMers were chosen to be FPM's candidates in the parliamentary elections or to be FPM's ministers, not because GMA chose them, but because they are active inside FPM and have the capability to handle such position. Gebran is one of them.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by LEBANESE-CIA

Maybe he closed some illegal activities you were involved with directly or indirectly that is why you hate him. Hate him as u like, he DID WORK and still trying to improve his ministery, and those who are frustrated from HIM can't see beyound their nose.
FPM didnt loose it was 21 last time now its 27 + TVA jakara bel 14makhlouta!
FYI he will hold a ministerial position , in spite of whoever oppose it.
And if you are not intrested "in them and politics at all" why are you contradicting yourself here with G.bassil : )
double standard like ja3ja3 and hariristan. !

GB affected 'his business'

end of the moral story

[Red Phoenix]

GB is fighting an epic fight to clean the communication ministry of the corrupt inapt ppl in it, and some fpmers think now is a good time to ask for changing him cuz the guy talks 'funny' and is the son in law of gma or i dont know what..

GB is a freaking worker, that is all that counts and for that he deserves credit

the political call to keep him or remove him is up to gma, so if anyone has a complaint he can direct it to gma and not bassil

GB even lost the batroun tight race cuz gma said the wrong things sometimes b4 that ended up costing GB votes there

so let's not mix things together

i didnt care about GB b4 he showed his work, now i care about him cuz i like his work simple as that

if i had any complains about how gma treats him or how he speaks well i dont have them now cuz they are pretty much irrelevant

the guy is a worker and for that i commend him and blaming him for things that are not his fault isn't so smart, it's not even that constructive at this time even if some fpmers who actually care do it

it's just not fair for someone who actually done his job in the ministry to be treated worse than the worst thieves that ever came there

but hey i'm all for free speech so this is just my 2 cents for it

[nuclearcat]

Originally Posted by John A

FPM still didn't have a complete election, and Bassil is working as minister in this period, the same way he was struggling against the syrian occupation.

Many FPMers were chosen to be FPM's candidates in the parliamentary elections or to be FPM's ministers, not because GMA chose them, but because they are active inside FPM and have the capability to handle such position. Gebran is one of them.

So FPM opponents was right. That's sad. Thanks for a truthful answer.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by nuclearcat

So FPM opponents was right. That's sad. Thanks for a truthful answer.

right about what?

[gilthemaster]

GB is too polarizing. people opposing to fpm hate him so they happily vote against us.

Many fpmers dislike him because they don't like the fact that GmA always bend the rules to protect him.

the fpm is getting bogged dn trying to defend him. he is doing more harm than good for fpm

Good guy but he's a divider. GMA can call it all he wants but if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck...its a duck.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by gilthemaster

GB is too polarizing. people opposing to fpm hate him so they happily vote against us.

Many fpmers dislike him because they don't like the fact that GmA always bend the rules to protect him.

the fpm is getting bogged dn trying to defend him. he is doing more harm than good for fpm

Good guy but he's a divider. GMA can call it all he wants but if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck...its a duck.

ok think of any other fpm figure who wont be a divider then..

it's not like GB did something horribly special to deserve this

any fpm guy will cause trouble

i have yet to see any fpm guy liked by all fpmers apart from gma

if i say abou jamra i hear some protest, if i say nabile n2oula i hear some protest, if i say pierre rafoul i hear some protest, if i say salim aoun sure enough i hear some protest..

let's be realistic for a while, pretty much it's impossible to find any fpm guy liked by all fpmers

and the last thing fpm as a whole needs to do is to comply to the wishes of ppl outside fpm who pick and choose a la carte what they dont like about fpm and gma has to comply to their wishes.. today they dislike bassil, yesterday they disliked rafoul and god know who tomorrow is deemed worthy of their outside scorn

so i understand ur point but i dont share it

GB is not the issue, not by a long shot

and getting rid of him serves no one and nothing but the will of fpm opponents to weaken it

"ah fpm is history once gma is dead, ah wait what's that his son in law ? let's kill him politically too right now cuz perhaps he might be a problem in the future.."


getting rid of bassil is a mistake, he is not a prince nor any usurper, fpm and lebanon have their own problems without him

the only thing he did was a good job after gma selected him as telecommunication minister in a country full of hypocrisy and thieves and killers and demons

u tell me he is causing divide, i say' a' divide will always be present regardless but at least he knows how to do his job as a minister

the same aberrant logic is applied to gma himself

'oh u fpmers find someone nicer than gma to leader u will u, he is causing such a divide in the country..'

thanks but no thanks, i like gma and gb and a few other fpmers (nicolas sa7naoui..) just the way they are hehe

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by nuclearcat

In Lebanon many things illegal. Because Lebanon lacks proper lawmakers.
First - You can revoke all driver licenses in Lebanon, i guess less than percent of drivers here follow law, all others is illegal. Many of them don't know driving laws at all. Put all of them in jail, punish, slay them, stone them. Crowd will like. Result is zero. People will drive, to live and work.

Second way - You can make coverage in media, make government funded driving lessons, put proper signs on road, make social adversiting why driving right way is important.

First is easy and will make picture of such minister is HERO for dumb crowd who is not hurt in this show.
Second way is difficult, takes time, less impressive, but make great results.

I hope now you will understand analogy.


Summary of the 7 June 2009 Lebanese Parliament election results
Free Patriotic Movement (Tayyar Al-Watani Al-Horr) 18

2005
Free Patriotic Movement (Tayyar Al-Watani Al-Horr) 15
Source:
Lebanese Parliamentary Monitor ::// and wikipedia
Technically talking yes, it is small improvement. Tactically, FPM lost.
Why? I will try to explain very short way.
As some people say here, he is possible new leader of FPM.
He say on TV his pockets empty, bank account is negative, he lost elections.
Saddam Hussein was looking better at 1998 :-) (one more wrong choice)
Where party will go with such leader?


I am not political addict, to know which underwear each politic have today. But definitely i don't like someone who almost screwed whole industry in Lebanon.

Away from all the blablabla, did he or did he not hurt your business with his reformist laws?

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Gebran doesn't leave his ministry before 12 am every night. This is not the work a minister does because he is paid as minister. This is work done by a man who has so much conscience that he can't leave his office before feeling that a lot of work is done.
So, no just for you and some 14 feb idiots to be happy or to be put in an embarrassing place, I and most of FPMers will not want to see Bassil out of the telecom ministry, although and sadly he may not have it.

Originally Posted by GMA forever

So in a country where kel wa7ad byet3alla2 be kerse w allah ma ba2 y7allelo 3anna, we decide to change the only minister that worked right in his ministry and cleaned it and made it to the service of the people and not vice versa as it is everywhere else, and we keep all the other corrupted fat *** ministers that are only there for stealing in their positions!!!

What kind of an example will we be giving for our Lebanese people and FPM supporters when we show them that all the corrupted ministers are back in the new ministry, and the only one that is not back is the one that had nothing to do with corruption but rather was working the right way for the benefit of the Lebanese people and his ministry.

Sometimes I wonder if FPMers are really starting to get used to shoot themselves in the foot, if there was no FMer or LFer around to shoot at them!!

Guys, you're missing the point. What would have FPM lost if they appointed any of the names Jade gave? Or even Ibrahim Kanaan? You think these excellent FPMers will do a lousy job like Hmede and other trash that Hariri used to appoint? On the contrary, FPM would have exposed Feb 14 that they're using the wazir reseb as an excuse. Bas badak min yfakir tactics bil FPM because whenever a trap is laid, and it is obvious even to the average Joes like me, FPM falls without any surprises.

I would seriously hate to see the last real hope for Lebanon, the FPM, fall to tribal instincts that has killed progress all accross the political spectrum in our feudal republic.