To some Fpmers or allies:WHy don't you love Gebran bassil?

[Aoun is rou2yaweh]

Originally Posted by Iceberg

Do you have any suggestions as to how to remove the encrusted infected cheese-eaters that crawled inside the party since September 2005 ?

What would you do if GB got to take over the party in the coming era without any formal elections taking place?

Either Aoun removes them one by one because we don't have a real party, or Aoun starts building a real party where elections occur and so we remove them via elections.

2akeed I won't be satisfied if he took over without elections.

I am telling you, without the initiative of Aoun, we will never be able to have a real party.
That is why you either trust he will fulfill his commitments or you don't: rendering further discussion on that matter, until now, in my opinion, pointless.

[Iceberg]

Originally Posted by elias-aj

To be honest Iceberg, the problem is that when you're an FPM supporter or even a member, you don't really know what's happening "behind the scene".

While what you're saying might be very serious, and while you might have a point, we don't know exactly what's going on which makes it hard - for me and others - to take a position.

Moreover, I understand The Jade question which seems relevant. Well, at least for me. Why Gebran Bassil and not Sehnaoui or Abs etc.

But still, we don't know the real reason, we don't know the real facts so it's hard to form any valid and balanced position.

That's why I and many others can only judge that Bassil, given his experience as minister, deserves to be praised and not bashed. And that we need to know why he failed in Batroun to form a definitive opinion on what should be his place in FPM.

That FPM must be organized and elections held seems obvious though.

Beside the fact that internal happenings aren't disclosed, do you think that after 4 years+ of it's founding, a party that hasn't been structured can hold clean, decent and honest internal elections ? [generalizing the subject]

[Youchka]

I used to feel nothing toward Bassil before he became minister. Sometimes I used to think that he could do better when on TV. Today after his experience in the telecom ministry I respect him and like him a lot, and since I know how challenging it was working in that ministry, working against the flow literally, when almost everyone is trying to put blocks in the wheels, trying to yfarekchoulo all his projects... I respect him even more. I dunno if any other FPMer would have taken el araf that Gebran had to deal with, Gebran rasso teiss, and it was needed in that ministry under those circumstances. Saying why not X or Y or Z, none of us is able to know how would X or Y or Z have reacted under the pressure and backstabbing that gebran was subject to in the ministry.

[Libnene Qu7]

Hej trabhouna jmeele that he's a hard worker! Ministers are paid butt-loads of money from your taxes to work. Just cause most of them don't and he does doesn't make him a hero.

FPM should have been open to allowing any FPMer becoming a Telecommunications minister. That would have put 7mar 14 in a very embarassing position.But this Lebanese mentality of tribal belonging has even infected the FPM leadership.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by Iceberg

Beside the fact that internal happenings aren't disclosed, do you think that after 4 years+ of it's founding, a party that hasn't been structured can hold clean, decent and honest internal elections ? [generalizing the subject]

Honestly, I don't know and I never really thought about it... I have so few knowledge about FPM internal business that I can't seriously form any opinion - about its structure and about future internal elections.

What we have to take into consideration is that, in any democratic country and in any political party, as soon as the notion of "power" is concerned, elections are not really clean, nor decent nor honest. Especially when you don't have a sole prominent figure, but several ones competing.

I can speak about the french examples :

- UMP : Sarkozy is the prominent figure = no problem.
- PS : several persons competing = a mess.

Many things might change the day GMA won't be here - like many things changed in France when De Gaulle retired from politics. No matter the internal structure and party elections... We're moving from a "romantic" struggle against foreign occupation, with GMA as the spearhead of a movement (and not a political party), to a political party trying to adapt itself to the lebanese politics reality.

For me, as a FPM supporter, my only concern is to see FPM political program implemented. So :

1/ I don't care about the individuals but I rather form my opinion on their achievements.
2/ I care about FPM leaders doing what's necessary to win elections to be in a position allowing them to implement their political program.

[LEBANESE-CIA]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

Hej trabhouna jmeele that he's a hard worker! Ministers are paid butt-loads of money from your taxes to work. Just cause most of them don't and he does doesn't make him a hero.

FPM should have been open to allowing any FPMer becoming a Telecommunications minister. That would have put 7mar 14 in a very embarassing position.But this Lebanese mentality of tribal belonging has even infected the FPM leadership.

Yes indeed , FPM has FPMers who can fill the spot also, but since the Hariristan.aka.wahabi.mafia decided to challenge the FPM and veto Bassil, GMA decide to have a match and see who will weaken and retreat.

On another note, every minister is paid to do his/her job, but esmallah i dont see anyone doing his duties like Bassil. So credit for him, even he is getting paid, at least he is not like others! It doesnt make him hero, but it makes him hard working minister , agreed or not , fact shows that. !

[hiptanaka]

Im for re-appointing Bassil nikayatan bi Feb. 14, just like they reappointed saniora nikayatan at Doha.

[King Rami]

ACCORDING TO HISTORY, GEBRAN BASSIL IS THE 1ST LEBANESE MINISTER TO FIGHT CORRUPTION IN HIS MINISTRY.

be proud... enjoy

[Iceberg]

Originally Posted by hiptanaka

Im for re-appointing Bassil nikayatan bi Feb. 14, just like they reappointed saniora nikayatan at Doha.

w balad la7 nebne, nkeye fo2 nkeye..

[LebanesePride]

Its not about hating the guy. I just dont think hes suitable at all to the positions and magnitude that he has/or aspires to have.

I dont want to relate gossip stories (not 2 much) but he wasnt liked by a lot of FPMers in Batroun from the start, due to his personal and business practices.

Personnally i think its clear he used his family ties to get exposure and power within FPM, and when he had a position of power he worked to put his people wherever he could inside FPM, as most FPM officials are doing, since it turns out theyre blinded by ambition and petty struggles and not by the welfare of the party. These latter practices i have witnessed myself by Gebran Bassil and Alain Aoun and most others.

You said aside from character but i think its very important. Im not an expert but i dont think Gebran has much leadership qualities, he doesnt strike me as having the charisma even let alone the other essential attributes.

Outside of the illinformed (imo) hardcore FPMer, hes not going to aspire any confidence nor reach the wider base nor unite the party like GMA has.