To some Fpmers or allies:WHy don't you love Gebran bassil?

[Iceberg]

The problems with Gebran are the following in my opinion:
- He has no popular support for himself, it was proven in the elections.
- He has no charisma whatsoever, gives me a terrible headache when I listen to him talking (much better than Sami's mono-tone but still terrible..)

[elias-aj]

I believe that, in matter of politics (real politic I mean, not the quest for power), there are two principles which can be used to judge a person :

- merit ;
- experience - principle of accountability.

Now, draw your own conclusions on Bassil.

Judging him as a politician - I mean the politic within the scope of the quest for power -, well, that's different. Because here, some/many will form their opinion on a politician based on one or several very subjective criterion like charisma - handsome, nice voice, nice suits, looks nice etc. And here, some will praise Bassil and others will hate him for non objective reasons.

It's certain though that in a democracy, you need to be charismatic enough to gather the required popular support in order to be elected. And Bassil failed twice in Batroun, despite the fact that he was a very good minister.

However, what are the real reasons of his failure last time ? As long as we don't have a serious and exhaustive study on this case, we won't be able to form any judgment.

[The Jade]

For people saying that Gebran is like Abs, Sehnaoui and Ramzi Kanj, because he's a long time activist (before he became Aoun's son in law) tell me how come these 3 don't have such high positions as Gebran ?

What are these guys' positions ?
How come only Gebran is in the media ? (even before he was made minister)
How come Gebran got to be a candidate but not Ramzi and Ziad ?

[Aoun is rou2yaweh]

Originally Posted by The Jade

For people saying that Gebran is like Abs, Sehnaoui and Ramzi Kanj, because he's a long time activist (before he became Aoun's son in law) tell me how come these 3 don't have such high positions as Gebran ?

What are these guys' positions ?
How come only Gebran is in the media ? (even before he was made minister)
How come Gebran got to be a candidate but not Ramzi and Ziad ?

As long as Gebran did a very good job, brought real change and waged war against corruption, who cares?

If it is the worry of having a real party, then the answer is simple: we don't have a real party right now and Aoun has took the decision to build a real party right after the government negociations AND, sadly, WE CAN ONLY HOPE HE IS SINCERE, AND I KNOW HE IS SINCERE.
So all other discussion is pointless.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by Aoun is rou2yaweh

As long as Gebran did a very good job, brought real change and waged war against corruption, who cares?

If it is the worry of having a real party, then the answer is simple: we don't have a real party right now and Aoun has took the decision to build a real party right after the government negociations AND, sadly, WE CAN ONLY HOPE HE IS SINCERE, AND I KNOW HE IS SINCERE.
So all other discussion is pointless.

I think this is something very old. "Aoun has took the decision to build a real party right after the government negociations END"
becaause it was after the sit'in, 2005 to 2008 and after the election so now it's after the negociations....
I hope you are right :)

[Iceberg]

Originally Posted by Aoun is rou2yaweh

As long as Gebran did a very good job, brought real change and waged war against corruption, who cares?

If it is the worry of having a real party, then the answer is simple: we don't have a real party right now and Aoun has took the decision to build a real party right after the government negociations AND, sadly, WE CAN ONLY HOPE HE IS SINCERE, AND I KNOW HE IS SINCERE.
So all other discussion is pointless.

Do you have any suggestions as to how to remove the encrusted infected cheese-eaters that crawled inside the party since September 2005 ?

What would you do if GB got to take over the party in the coming era without any formal elections taking place?

[lionness]

03/11/2009

زار وزير الإتصالات في حكومة تصريف الأعمال جبران باسيل، الأمين العام لـ"حزب الله" السيد حسن نصر الله، بعد ظهر اليوم

Gibran gets to see el sayyed more than hizb officials do
I guess he is valued from his allies more than inside his party. HA base like baseel since he was the tayyar face during the preparation of the MOU. Many even believe that part of the attack on him is because of that.

Regarding batroun , i do not know about north, but I can take an example any village in south, if you want to win the people support you need to live with the people, and I mean get involve in people everyday life. He lives and works all year in Beirut, if he wants to have real chance in winning election go get a house there.
Maybe he needs to decide his priority.

I respect what he did to cut the hands of the thieves in the ministry.

Luckily, we do not face this son-in law issues bel hizb (yet) but tayyar is the one making an issue out of it, I mean all tayar rivals are full of sister-brother-..... They do not really have a case.

[Aoun is rou2yaweh]

Originally Posted by Unreal

I think this is something very old. "Aoun has took the decision to build a real party right after the government negociations END"
becaause it was after the sit'in, 2005 to 2008 and after the election so now it's after the negociations....
I hope you are right :)

Yea I know, I don't know about the period of 2005 - 2008 what happened (maybe it was the political situation).
But I know, that after 2009 elections Aoun wanted to quit, he was sick of the siyesseh and most of all he was dissapointed of the Lebanese people.
To make long story short, Aoun is preparing for what is after him as he considers that he missed his chance to reform the country in 2009 and that 20 years in politics is enough for him.
So believe me, he is sincere.

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by The Jade

For people saying that Gebran is like Abs, Sehnaoui and Ramzi Kanj, because he's a long time activist (before he became Aoun's son in law) tell me how come these 3 don't have such high positions as Gebran ?

What are these guys' positions ?
How come only Gebran is in the media ? (even before he was made minister)
How come Gebran got to be a candidate but not Ramzi and Ziad ?

Abs, Kanj and to a lesser extent Sehanoui got as much coverage as Gebran Bassil pre-2006. Don't forget that Abs was part of the team negotiationg the MoU with the Hezb, and thus we saw him a lot during that period. Should I also remind his student activities in his days at AUB?

Gebran Bassil stepped up a noch because in my opinion he was able to draw more influence inside the party, within the closed circles of Rabieh (whether it's simply because he's the son in law, or because he's a fine tactician within the party, we'll never know). Fact is he's one of Lebanon's most succesful minister, and facts speak for themselves.

As for elections, Kanj was candidate in 2005, but not in 2009 because of our allies' ally. Abs was one of the names to be orthodox candidates in Beirut, but for the reasons we know, Abu Jamra was chosen (fortunately, or unfortunately, depends on how you see it). And just a precision: Gebran Bassil won Batroun in 2005, he lost overall because Batroun was connected to Tripoli. And as Red Phoenix said it previously, Bassil lost in 2009 because of GMA's mistakes in big part (waiting for a study that explains reasons of his failure to blame him personally).

When it comes to ministries, believe me if Aoun had an extra orthodox seat, or a catholic seat, we would have seen Abs or Sehnaoui as ministers. And Kanj, maybe like Abs, he'll be second in line after Abbas Hachem... or First shiaa minister for FPM!

Don't attack Bassil for the wrong reasons. Him being the son in law is not one, but FPM and its media overdosing on his exposure is one.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by Iceberg

Do you have any suggestions as to how to remove the encrusted infected cheese-eaters that crawled inside the party since September 2005 ?

What would you do if GB got to take over the party in the coming era without any formal elections taking place?

To be honest Iceberg, the problem is that when you're an FPM supporter or even a member, you don't really know what's happening "behind the scene".

While what you're saying might be very serious, and while you might have a point, we don't know exactly what's going on which makes it hard - for me and others - to take a position.

Moreover, I understand The Jade question which seems relevant. Well, at least for me. Why Gebran Bassil and not Sehnaoui or Abs etc.

But still, we don't know the real reason, we don't know the real facts so it's hard to form any valid and balanced position.

That's why I and many others can only judge that Bassil, given his experience as minister, deserves to be praised and not bashed. And that we need to know why he failed in Batroun to form a definitive opinion on what should be his place in FPM.

That FPM must be organized and elections held seems obvious though.