The so called 3orf of not appointing election losers as ministers

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by ohyeah

But the minority have more than 200,000 voters more than the majority.

why man in district can elect 2 members and other one can elect 10 members.

Rules aren't the same Joseph.

Oh yeah you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about majority and minority.
When I said the majority of parliamentary systems I meant that most of these systems around the world have fusion of powers...

[ohyeah]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Oh yeah you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about majority and minority.
When I said the majority of parliamentary systems I meant that most of these systems around the world have fusion of powers...

As what u cleared is not taking place in Lebanon,so why u mentioned it?

[elador]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Its not so unbelievable that the problem may be both!

Perhaps they dont want Bassil specifically or losers in the elections in general, and at the same time they dont want you to have the telecom ministry.

Originally Posted by elador

what is your opinion? should FPM keep the ministry of telecom or not? if not who do you suggest to have it?

I bet that you dont mind as long as it's not Bassil or any other FPMer.

Now look back and tell me when did we ever say LF or Kataeb should not have this ministry or that? when did we ever say this ministry should go to our ally Amal or HA but not to the LF??

i would respect you more if you say that you want the ministry of telecom for yourselves, but refusing it for FPM to give it back to hamadeh or Hariri is typical you (by you i mean LF, Kataeb, and the holy batrak)

and if the ministry of education is so much more important than the ministry of telecom why don't you fight for it? why you want GMA to drop the Minstry of telecom for the education??

I apreciate if would answer my question please, thanks

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

it is a fairly typical practice in a parliamentary system with fusion of powers for the PM to select ministers from the elected MPs. This is not only a Lebanese practice.

Yes and no Joseph.

In other parliamentary systems, when there is a clear majority, the PM can - if not formally, at least in practice - select ministers from the elected MPs of the winning coalition. Although, it implies internal negotiations and an agreement within the said winning coalition.

When there is no clear majority and alliances with political opponents are required to form a government, then the designated PM is obliged to negotiate with the other side - granted that the other side is not obliged to accept anything. He'll select ministers from the elected MPs but once an agreement is reached among all the political parties which will participate in the Government.

In Lebanon and theoretically, Hariri could form a government with the majority - though, I'm not sure if it's still, in practice, a majority given Jumblatt's position. However, he wants to form a national union government and in this purpose, he has no other choice but to negotiate. You can't oblige anyone to be a minister. And FPM is not obliged to accept his conditions, notwithstanding the issue currently discussed about appointing losers as ministers or not. And take into consideration the fact that our system is a confessional system...

In fact, we're wasting our time with irrelevant questions. The issue is the following one : Does Hariri (or the majority) really want to form a national union government ? Does Hariri really want FPM to be part in the next government ? Or is Hariri trying to win some time for some unknown purpose ?

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

it is a fairly typical practice in a parliamentary system with fusion of powers for the PM to select ministers from the elected MPs. This is not only a Lebanese practice.

If I were you, I would drop this whole issue... it's eating away at your credibility and image of being logical. Find something else to attack FPM.

Choose "from the elected MPs"? hahaha... How about the ones he chose who were NEITHER "elected" NOR "MPs"? Here, spin this one for me :)

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[Diabolo_7]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

If I were you, I would drop this whole issue... it's eating away at your credibility and image of being logical. Find something else to attack FPM.

Choose "from the elected MPs"? hahaha... How about the ones he chose who were NEITHER "elected" NOR "MPs"? Here, spin this one for me :)

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He wants Wi'am Wahhab back

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

If I were you, I would drop this whole issue... it's eating away at your credibility and image of being logical. Find something else to attack FPM.

What I said is a perfectly valid statement that stands on its own. Why would you imagine that it eats away at anything?

Choose "from the elected MPs"? hahaha... How about the ones he chose who were NEITHER "elected" NOR "MPs"? Here, spin this one for me :)

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I never said that Hariri was following this in what he proposed before he resigned. In fact as I typed that post, I knew someone would bring up this issue and I should have imagined it would be you :) I posted what I posted simply to remind folks what a parliamentary system typically does, because I believe that many in the forum have misconceptions in that regard. Now does Lebanon follow that perfectly? of course not! But the whole thread is a discussion on practices so I felt it would be fair to bring up one of the most fundamental practices of forming governments in parliamentary systems. Many here call for separation of powers when that is at odds with the very parliamentary system we have today in Lebanon, and one of the reasons that most ministers are MPs is the very system we have adopted as a nation. The issue of the president is an interesting one, and someone asked me the right question earlier, but that topic should be explored further.

I will elaborate more on this issue once I hear your answer to the above.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by elador

I apreciate if would answer my question please, thanks

Originally Posted by Diabolo_7

He wants Wi'am Wahhab back

Of course I dont want Wiaam Wahhab :), and in reality I dont care all that much if Bassil comes back as Telecom minister really. My issues with Bassil were the same before he became minister in the current gov, and will remain the same long after this new gov is formed whether he is in it or not, and they revolve primarily around nepotism.

[elador]

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[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Of course I dont want Wiaam Wahhab :), and in reality I dont care all that much if Bassil comes back as Telecom minister really. My issues with Bassil were the same before he became minister in the current gov, and will remain the same long after this new gov is formed whether he is in it or not, and they revolve primarily around nepotism.

Then you must have the same issue with Saad Rafic Hariri, no? You must be staunchly opposing his PM appointment? After all his daddy got him where he is, he has no merit whatsoever.