Should FPM participate in the new government ?

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Abou Jamra is asking for 1/3 mou3attil now!

I don't think the 1/3 veto power choice is shared by the FPM base. I know that I wouldn't encourage it if I were an opposition today. We have to decide on whether we want to set the precedence or continue in the same path to nowhere. We must give democracy some room to breathe. There was never a majority ruling the government. Fine, I am with you, the next majority government might not meet yours and my aspiration but how do we know that it will or not if it is not given room to govern.

What is wrong being an opposition? Being an opposition helps you win the people mind especially if you are hitting the right issues in a constructive manner. The past 4 years was a disaster, the government was not allowed to work more than a year with all the obstacles and the blockages created by the opposition. It is time guys to oppose constructively. Those are only 4 years and the allies of today may very well change tomorrow. It is certainly not the end of the life and we must admit once and for all that each of us wants the best for our country.

What Abu Jamra is calling for will lead you to lose your credibility even more especially after an election law that saw birth with your hands mainly (this is what you say all the time). You either want to respect the due process or let us just not even do any elections.

I am not opposed to the best of the best in the FPM org to be in the government but also while doing it please do not repeat Gibran bassil mistakes. He acted very immaturely (perception was more so abusing a public position). You can contribute positively and do well but you don't have to throw an egg in someone's face, do you get me?

I am with you - let's go forward and enough of this I feel bad now because the country is going backward - on the contrary we need to work together but also we need to ensure that we are monitoring the government and this is how efficiency can be realized.

[Reconciliation is key]

Ya chabeb,

Ana FPMer to the bone and I was quite sad of the result but I would like to share with you my quick thoughts:

1- Despite any election issues and what we may or may not think was fair, let's just not contest it anymore and acknowledge the other side's win.... it doesn't matter who on the Christian vote, etc... they have the majority, period.

2- FPM should not join the government.... I don't mean we should boycott it.... we should just not join it (under any circumstance) and act as a reasonable opposition. If the opposition was invited, let our allies join but not us.

3- General Aoun and his interior circle should focus their attention internally on the party. We are a young party and we should learn and grow. Honestly, although I love to hear him speak, I'd like him to do less apperances and more behind the scenes work - the focus in the next couple of years should be the party. We all have to admit how quickly the LF were able to regroup after SJ was out of prison... less talk... more work.

4- Our deputies, in addition to taking stands on national matters, should really get involved in their areas and become more service deputees interested in economy, helping people in their daily lives etc.

5- Keep and grow our relationships with the Shiites. However, whether because of their mistakes or ours, we really have a big rift with the Sunnis... they hate us at the moment and this is not healthy... therefore, in my opinion, serious ouvertures should be made to reconcile with them. Same thing goes with the Druze...

6- Participate positively in all national dialogue events.

7- OTV has to lighten up a bit on the rhetoric. Enough with the Wahabi claims.... regardless of whether they are true or not... but think of it this way, if we are succesfull in defeating Saad hariri, do you think a less moderate Sunni will come along....no! I think we all know that deep inside.... Ya khayye I know he did not recognize our opinions in the past but that does not mean we become uncivilized and just say anything to win.

I don't want the Lebanese people to think of us only as hemlin el selloum bil 3ared..... let us be out of the picture for a while.... let others shout at one another on TV interviews..... I for one put my energy in the servie of the party.

Let us how our loyalty to the party and what it represents in it's time of need... because that's how you can judge us and that is how history will judge us....

Finally, we have a bloc of 27 deputies... that is something to be proud of....

Tomorrow is another day.... Mabrouk to Kateb, LF, Mustaqbal, Jounblat and everybody who won....let them rule.... and good luck to them ya 3amme...nshallah tezbat ma3ounnn.... Long live general Aoun

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by Arze

As long as we have the 2nd biggest Block in the parliament C&R block should participate in the Government with or without the 1/3,, cause the people who gave us their votes,, they expect something from us,,

That's not democracy. The people of Lebanon chose another party to govern. We should oppose democratically from outside so that the ruling government does not forget the people that voted for us.

Why take a share in the government that will most probably blame the minority ministers their own failure. Look at what they did to Gebran Bassil despite all his hard work: they blamed him for they spying, their own failure!!! And the worst part is that a lot of people believed them!!!

I say stay outside, oppose [and make them remember the people that voted for us]...

And most of all build the party. The elections reveiled promising figures (Abi Ramia, Sehnaoui, etc) and FPM has got a lot of them that were not candidates. We can build a great party with together.

[Youchka]

I am against FPM entering the government, veto or no veto.
We had the veto for the past year, what did it help us achieve? The minister of electricity could not even out his plan for reforming the electricity at the table of the government to be discussed. Did any of the 14 feb supporters find anything wrong with that? No. All they saw is, the electricity is bad.
Gebran Bassil killed himself for a whole year to do reforms in his ministry. despite al his efforts, you still have people cursing him everytime their phone conversation is interrupted, as if it is Gebran's fault. Did they appreciate the things he did to them? No.

If we enter the government, we will be chahid zour to all the things they will do. Take the TVA increase. If they increase it and we are part of the government, people will say, how can you criticize it and you are part of the government?

Unfortunately, all I see for Lebanon in the coming years is more corruption, more theft, more decision that will make us more miserable, and I really do not want to take part in that. I will not gain anything from being outside, but I also will lose a lot being inside with them.

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by Youchka

I am against FPM entering the government, veto or no veto.
We had the veto for the past year, what did it help us achieve? The minister of electricity could not even out his plan for reforming the electricity at the table of the government to be discussed. Did any of the 14 feb supporters find anything wrong with that? No. All they saw is, the electricity is bad.
Gebran Bassil killed himself for a whole year to do reforms in his ministry. despite al his efforts, you still have people cursing him everytime their phone conversation is interrupted, as if it is Gebran's fault. Did they appreciate the things he did to them? No.

If we enter the government, we will be chahid zour to all the things they will do. Take the TVA increase. If they increase it and we are part of the government, people will say, how can you criticize it and you are part of the government?

Unfortunately, all I see for Lebanon in the coming years is more corruption, more theft, more decision that will make us more miserable, and I really do not want to take part in that. I will not gain anything from being outside, but I also will lose a lot being inside with them.

You are right except for the part in blod: we can gain a lot because we will be building a true party that will re-gain the people's choice.

[elhorr]

اولا لبنان ليس بلد ديمقراطي صحيح كي تحكم الاكثرية و الاقلية تعارض
اذا ارادوا حكم اكثري و الاقلية تعارض في البرلمان كما هو متعارف عليه عالميا
اذا يجب ان تكون حصة المعارضة من مقاعد النواب كالنسبة التي حصلت عليها من اصوات الناخبين و هكذا تصبح هي الاكثرية ب 55 بالمئة من مقاعد المجلس
و الا لنعود الى ديمقراطيتنا التوافقية
هذا اولا
ثانيا قطعا على تيار الوطني الحر ان يشارك في الحكومة وفق تمثيله و لان الناس منحوه ثقتهم لانهم رأوا فيه الدولة
لذا يجب الا يترك الفاسدين يعيثون فسادا بل يجب ان يعمل قدر الامكان على التقليل من الفساد في الدولة
و لانه يعتبر من اكثر ممثلي المسيحيين في المجلس صحة في التمثيل و الاكثر تمثيلا
و بالنسبة للثلث المعطل لن اقول ضامن نعم معطل لانه يعطل الاجرام و الفساد و يضمن الشراكة في الحكم
اي غصبا عنهم مش بطيبهم
بعدين كرم اخلاق من المعارضة انها تقبل بالتلت زايد واحد
و الا ما فيش حكومة

[e_khoury]

FPM should boycott the new government and oppose it from outside: It's bad for us to sit in a governement were Cheikh Saad is the prime minister w Sanioura is wezir meliye!!!
W isla7 ra7 yotla3 mena.
Let us have micho m3awad and fares soueid and jouji sarkis as minister balke they will cancel christmas.se3et people will know "maza ktarafat aydihom"

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by elhorr

اولا لبنان ليس بلد ديمقراطي صحيح كي تحكم الاكثرية و الاقلية تعارض
اذا ارادوا حكم اكثري و الاقلية تعارض في البرلمان كما هو متعارف عليه عالميا
اذا يجب ان تكون حصة المعارضة من مقاعد النواب كالنسبة التي حصلت عليها من اصوات الناخبين و هكذا تصبح هي الاكثرية ب 55 بالمئة من مقاعد المجلس
و الا لنعود الى ديمقراطيتنا التوافقية
هذا اولا

Nice. What do you think fellow FPMers with elhorr point of view? I am surprised no one has answered him yet.

Did we just waste our time doing the elections?

It was a law tailored by the oppostion (this is what you always braged about, no?).

Now how is it that Mr. elhorr plan to rule?

Tawafoqi ya el horr cancels the notion of doing the elections in the first place. You should have objected the elections then but for you to pop up after (you lost) with silly commments and profound analysis while ignoring the rule of game is not really very digestable???

[Nasser]

I think FPM have a good considerable block that can let FPM do the role of opposition effectively from outside - if you believe corruption will take place , point it out for the lebanese people , and refrain from secterian speech and I am sure you will regain lot of trust of lebanese people.

[ZakiNassif]

while i tend to agree with many points stating that it is best for FPM to stay out of the gov no matter what (ie. 1/3 or no), I still have two concerns to the latter situation, if we are out:

1-then how can our MPs offer services to our Kazas ? min wein would you get the money and power to do so?

2-if we are out and Saad el Hariri decided to pass laws such as: moving more sunnis to Zahle, koura or batroun; not allowin christians to enter the gov, working for towtin etc....then how can we stop him?

if one could answer the above two questions then I would agree to stay out of the gov!