Should FPM participate in the new government ?

[cedarheart]

I think we should give the people what they got paid for.

Let the haririsorruptionalist govern and we’ll be the watchdogs.
We won’t have any major portfolio in government, so why should we take “wouzara Dawleh” and be “chouhoud Zour”?

Lebanese want Christian ministers who approve the cancellation of good Friday as a holiday, let them have this type of ministers
Lebanese want finance minister who will double the national debt, let them have him
Lebanese want to pay more for gas, twice for electricity, twice for water, let them have it

We should focus on 2013:
2013 parliament will elect the next president
In 2013 those who are 14 today will be voting, we should start winning their support from now!

[shadow1]

Like all issues in Lebanon one could argue a point and its opposite with equal persuasion so ultimately it's up to one's gut feeling to make a decision.
Mine says It should while its representation of the people is that sizeable and it owes it to those people to feel they are part of the fabric of society and not some aliens who ought to be marginalised because they do not have a majority.

In addition to what Chief has said I would like to add an observation. Once in my travels in lebanon I was on the main road leading to the mountains in keserwen. The road was in terrible state and when I asked why such major artery could be so neglected by the govt I was told it was a punishment to keserwen because it did not vote for the loyalists. If the govt can act in such vindictive way, ignoring the basic principles of social justice so why give them the chance?

Secondly ministries in lebanon seem to be a good vehicle to buy loyalties so when in Lebanon do as the Lebanese do. There will be elctions in the future.

In the spirit of national reconciliation, assuming that any such expressions carry the barest minimum of genuineness, the FPM should be part of the deal. It's by no means a small bloc of deputies so it does represent not only a number of people but also a current that many have pushed to the size for now because their priorities lied elsewhere for now.

GMA owes it to his successor if he wants the FPM to contnue after he gets a phone call from God to have an opportunity to gain people's support (not that I much believe in that but others are less cynical) through performance, to establish himself and the organisation on something other than catchy phrases and promises that may or may not have the chance to be fulfilled. Bassil was punished by the Batrounis for one issue perhaps but the FPM is not a uni-issue organisation.

I know few people who have put too much effort in helping their party and today some feel too disappointed to care but that is too emotional and it would be a shame to see those people lose connection with their country ( like I have) simply because they lost one election.

Elections come and go, alliances change all the time and if the Patriarch is now worried about us losing our arab identity then anything in this world is possible so why meander in political wilderness when you can be part of the game and do good for the country for whatever silly patriotic reasons nationalists do feel.

I am fully for the FPM being in cabinet as a full partner in making the policies of the government if its intention is to really care for the people. and if they are not there to watch we could simply say:
namat nawateerou misrin 3an tha3alibiha faqan bashimna wala tafna l 3anaqueedou.

After all if the lunatics are trapped in an asylum with no exits so why not make their stay in it a bit more comfortable at least as long as someone hasnt blown up the whole asylum to pieces.

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by cedarheart

I think we should give the people what they got paid for.

Let the haririsorruptionalist govern and we’ll be the watchdogs.
We won’t have any major portfolio in government, so why should we take “wouzara Dawleh” and be “chouhoud Zour”?

Lebanese want Christian ministers who approve the cancellation of good Friday as a holiday, let them have this type of ministers
Lebanese want finance minister who will double the national debt, let them have him
Lebanese want to pay more for gas, twice for electricity, twice for water, let them have it

We should focus on 2013:
2013 parliament will elect the next president
In 2013 those who are 14 today will be voting, we should start winning their support from now!

Once the majority is allowed to govern I will assure you that you will convert and change your mind and see the truth but let the majority govern - once and for all - and let's see if hezbollah let them as well??? you may wonder why hezbollah doesn't, don't you?

be a strong opposition and watch, monitor whatever you need to do but let them govern

[Kurt]

Guys, I am not sure if you heard FM saying that it would prefer to be a strong opposition if they lost the elections. I think they were very serious and sincere about it. Plus FM didn't want 1/3 veto power. Did they know that winning the the elections was guaranteed? of course not.

This is where everything starts - let the majority govern because the last thing we want a knee-jerk contest within the same operation. This is indeed unproductive.

[xcoder]

People please stop analyzing,
We tried them since 1992 and they showed nothing but failure and people kept voting for them, do you think these 4 years are going to change any of that?
Get real, pack your bags and leave for good.
We thought that the Syrians were the reason behind avoiding change but it seems they were simply part of it.

[the needle]

It's important to join and make the miniters we handle more productives and fight the corruption from inside. while keep highliting all bad attitudes they makes and show the difference to all lebanese. i believe we had an excellent example in the ministry of communication that show the importance of Tayyar.
The Needle

[Wolf]

FPM should participate in the new gov just to represent the ppl who voted for them, period. Other than that i join Xcoder by telling ppl to leave this doomed, failed state.

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by xcoder

Get real, pack your bags and leave for good.

If you can that is always the best alternative and your kids will thank you for it but if you are stuck, you might as well make the best of it and hope someday somehow something might change for the better.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Chief

inno i have mixed opinions here:

We should participate and grab our ministries and show the whole world that the ministries handled by FPM always deliver higher. but then again I think inno what for ? fight for whom and for what? at the end of the day, zahra won over gebran and all the work of gebran was not appreciated. ppl of the 3rd world country always resist change and reform for 2 reasons:

- they resist change because they are afraid for they have never tried it
- they resist reform since with reform they cant make money off the record and overcome the laws 3al lebnene

So why work and sacrifice ?

So now you're saying that we should give up.

No, the country is now in the same hands of those who destroyed it.
As Superduper said, the electoral battle was not about reform, it was about the different axis.

If we participate without the 1/3 since it's not valid anymore, we should show what we're capable of and at least we'll limit their destructive actions.

Originally Posted by superduper703

The electoral battle wasn't about reform, despite what FPM tried to portray. Bassil didn't lose because Zahra was better. He lost, because March14 were able to convince the population that the fight was between Lebanon and a Syro-Iranian agenda.

Right on

[Zouxi]

against, unless we take 1/3 of the government, i am categorically against participating in the government, for two reasons;

1-you will be only ' chehed zour', no power whatsoever.
2-you don't have majority, they will not pass anything related to you, they will make you fail on purpuse...

khallina barra achrafelna, this way we will watch them burning the country...