Should the Army fight?

[hannaalsayssa]

in case we are attacked by israel

all army barracks should be emptied
soldiers should be broken into small units ( 5-10)
headquarters hidden and broken up
and orders given to resist by guerilla warfare.
because if teh army stays in formation it will be a massacred and israel will kill as many in order to create disunity.

our soldiers are VERY BRAVE, we just need to fight israel through a new doctrine.

the best solution is to disband the army and create

NATIONAL GUARD made up of 30-35 strong highly trained and nimble force.( no need for planes btw, only light choppers and drones)

bass in lebanon the army is like a civil job department ( to absorb the youth and give jobs in many cases).

[Abou Sandal]

IAF helicopter squadrons assigned to infantry brigades IAF helicopter squadrons assigned to infantry brigades By YAAKOV KATZ July 26, 2009 The IDF has for the first time designated specific helicopter squadrons to operate under the command of infantry brigade commanders, as part of lessons learned from the Second Lebanon War and Operation Cast Lead. According to a senior officer in the Ground Forces Command, the first units to receive the squadrons were the Golani and Paratroopers brigades. The plan, the officer said, is to assign additional squadrons to other infantry brigades, such as Givati and Nahal. Under the new hierarchical system, the commander of the IAF squadron approves his orders through the brigade commander and not like the way it used to be - through the IAF. "It is as if the brigade commander has another battalion under his command to utilize," the officer said. The squadrons assigned to the brigades consist of Apache and Cobra attack helicopters. This type of setup exists in the United States Army, where field commanders are also allocated air platforms, such as fighter jets and attack helicopters. Due to its relatively small air force and wide spectrum of missions, the IDF has until now kept its air force completely separate from its ground forces when it comes to the chain of command, even during joint operations. The major change occurred during the operation in the Gaza Strip earlier this year, during which brigade and in some cases battalion commanders were given the authority to give direct orders to pilots who provided air support for troops on the ground. The intimate relationship between field commanders and pilots was forged ahead of the operation, when brigade and battalion commanders were taken for flights in the attack helicopters to see what the battlefield looks like from a cockpit thousands of feet in the air. The IAF has also deployed "air support officers" in each brigade, who are responsible for coordinating aerial and ground operations and ensuring that targeting mistakes are avoided. These officers are specially trained to understand both the language used by field commanders and pilots. "Now that the sides know each other better, they know how to work better together as well," explained a top IAF officer, adding that such cooperation led to air bombings during Cast Lead that were very close to IDF ground troops. "We are able to take greater risks with our air strikes, since we understand better what the field commanders are saying when describing to us where they are located," the officer continued. "We have reached the point that some of the pilots already understand the field commanders with the blink of an eye." IDF puts new spin on airborne operations | Israel | Jerusalem Post

Israel is preparing and training, for heavy infantry and special units ground assault in order to cease control of the ground and occupy it.

If such cases occur, there is no doubt that there will be a strong and violent DE FACTO contact with Lebanese Army special forces.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Then you should address them by quote..

But I did quote someone

DI, I understand your point of view, and I know that in Lebanon the Army is affected by politics, but let's agree that it's the least affected institution.

The Lebanese Army's ideology ( Like any army) state that they will and should defend their citizens against Israel or any other foreign army and I personally think that the Army will participate in the next war ( assuming that there will be one) and help the resistance like they always did.. Because of this ideology you will never see the Lebanese Army against the Lebanese resistance because they have that idea in common...

The day our army will change that ideology will be the day that we will lose our beloved country for good...

Thank you!!

[opium]

I would love to see the army in the first line defending,but this would be a suicide in the current situation.
I believe that our number one enemy are the air drones(not the F16s or the special units and certainly not the Mirkavas) ,if the army can shoot them down,Hezbolah will be able to shoot more fire more discretely,plus the army will have the mobility that we have always missed.And of course in this case the army can have many hidden lines of defense supported with cornets and lots of ammunition.(remember we were out of ammunition 7 days after Naher l Bared operation started).
I remember one night of the July war,we were having a dinner somewhere in Hrajel,and we started to hear many Helicopters flying at low altitude,everybody in the region realized that there was something fishy going on.Later we heard on the news that they searched the tunnels in Sad Shabrou7,and they stayed there for more thn an hour.The army didn't shoot one bullet over there,even though the army have one of the best trained battalion in Faraya.The army should not allow and should try to stop any incursion behind the defensive lines.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by achaaban

The Army should be brainwashed with one idea, defend and die, to protect the state of Lebanon.

For the Army it should not be a choice, it is an obligation, otherwise why pay taxpayers money for an army that might defend a sect rather than the nation.

If there's an institution which doesn't need lessons in matter of patriotism, that is our army.

Every time that the army was politically authorized to fight, the army did its job and pretty well.

It's not the Army which needs to be brainwashed, but rather the lebanese themselves.

Remember how many soldiers died to protect our country (notably and recently against FeI) and don't forget that the Army is working with the resistance. Not to speak about those who died to fight against the militias and the syrian army nor about those who disappeared whom many forgot which is one of the biggest shame of our lebanese "nation".

We can at least show some respect to people who decided to dedicate their lives for Lebanon, and God knows how few are the patriots in this country.

[jamez29]

Originally Posted by PFC

coming from a blue this question doesn't surprise me,you are lights year away from 7orriye syade este2lel

sorry Mr orange i did not know my name is blue
my name is james and i am lebanese

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by Armenian

What did the army do in 2006? Just watch? What are you guys talking about?

If the army will sit and watch, then what kind of military education is the army giving to its soldiers?

How did the Armenian army win the war in 1988 against one of the biggest armies in the region? Were they trained enough?

It doesn't matter how many arms do they have, i'm talking about moral education... The army should fight against any attack...Period.

Thank you!!

1. In 2006, the Army was only firing moudadat and facing some inzalet, which is limited.

2. During the Nagorno-Karabakh War, Armenia was aided by Russia.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by achaaban

It is about time that we the Lebanese immigrants form a force that will occupy Lebanon destroy its current government.

This we should do so that we could govern with our old fashioned values that rest on freedom, independence and the defense of the Lebanese state.

Then we can contain these bedouin Lebanese who are destroying the land of our anscenstors in some education camps that will teach them some values about life, the state, defense and the human in the state.

Anyone intersted in creating a force to conquer Lebanon and liberate it from these bedouins who are destroying it.

Even the expats are divided along sectarian lines.

[Mar1K]

the best scenario for the army was implemented in 2006, defending the region between Litani and Sayda (as they did against in the Nahhal troops in Tyr).

I wish the army was trained and well equipped to join the front lines but this is not the case

[NewB]

The army should defend and is capable of defending lebanon.

The merkava was defeated in southern lebanon using IEDs. The army has a lot of explosives and is very well capable (as we saw in naher el bared) to invent weapons.

If a group of rag tag militias can kick out israel in the 80s, so can a well organized army. You don't need air support you need men with the courage and a will to fight.

The LAF fought the Syrian Army and in some cases won.

They just need to be smart about the fight. Don't use tanks, and machines easily targetted. You need infantry. Israeli infantry are not who you think they are. They are all recruits, they are invading a land not defending it, the only thing they have is technology. If the army is in desperate need im sure hezbollah won't hesitate to supply them with ant-tank weapons (even though the LAF has some).

You can never defeat a will.