Should the Army fight?

[united]

Originally Posted by sev

to be honest, today lebanon is so boring..

elections were fun, kan fi jaw bil balad. bas hala2 khles...
so i dont wanna lie, i want a war with israell.. jaw jdid lal balad..
also cant wait municipality elections.

u want a "jaw jdid" with a new 1000 martyr?!

[achaaban]

Originally Posted by united

u want a "jaw jdid" with a new 1000 martyr?!

This can show you how the Lebanese people evaluate life and death. It is all about entertainment.

[BEAST]

The Lebanese army's combat units can play a pivotal role in any eventual war with Israel...I mean yeah sure they can pound us from the air and the sea as much as they want to...but in the end, it's all gonna come down to infantry, and in that field, the army can do much more than giving Israelis the bloody nose...HA can handle Merkavas and other APCs and armored vehicles, while any infantry thrust can be handled by the soldiers...that I'm sure of...

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

When the Army get more training and equipement, then we can give it a bigger job, bass halla2 it can only fire moudadat. It can't face the Israeli soldiers since it lacks equipement and it's not trained for guerilla werfare.

The problem of the lebanese army is not its training. We have at least the special forces - maghaweer, navy seals, some brigades...- who can perform very well and are considered among the best soldiers in the middle-east.

Navy seals are probably the deadliest soldiers in the middle-east given their training (US and British courses notably). The Israeli Flotilla 13 experienced it in 1997 and was crushed.

We face two problems :

1°/ lack of equipment to face israeli air-strikes ;
2°/ political role given to the army.

I wouldn't fear a guerilla warfare as the lebanese soldiers would do as fine, even perhaps better than HA. I would rather fear our inability to protect the soldiers from the air strikes.

However, the intervention of the Lebanese Army depends on the nature of the next israeli agression. If they decide to invade the country, the Lebanese army will fight. But if they launch the same campaign as 2006, the Lebanese army can not do anything except firing some bullets in the air...

[ohyeah]

Originally Posted by elias-aj

The problem of the lebanese army is not its training. We have at least the special forces - maghaweer, navy seals, some brigades...- who can perform very well and are considered among the best soldiers in the middle-east.

Navy seals are probably the deadliest soldiers in the middle-east given their training (US and British courses notably). The Israeli Flotilla 13 experienced it in 1997 and was crushed.

We face two problems :

1°/ lack of equipment to face israeli air-strikes ;
2°/ political role given to the army.

I wouldn't fear a guerilla warfare as the lebanese soldiers would do as fine, even perhaps better than HA. I would rather fear our inability to protect the soldiers from the air is strikes.

However, the intervention of the Lebanese Army depends on the nature of the next israeli agression. If they decide to invade the country, the Lebanese army will fight. But if they launch the same campaign as 2006, the Lebanese army can not do anything except firing some bullets in the air...

In 2006 , the army was not in the south, now the army is in south.

[achaaban]

Originally Posted by ohyeah

In 2006 , the army was not in the south, now the army is in south.

What are they doing in the South, handing over Lebanese territories to the UNIFIL, in order to protect Israel?

That is the Lebanese Army is participating in the defense of Israel and not the defense of Lebanon.

pathatic army and pathatic values

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by achaaban

Eventhough the Lebanese patriots wish to see the army defend Lebanon, the question to address is if the army troops are themselves Lebanese patriots, or sectarian patriots?

There are sectarians and patriots in every institution, however the army is better placed than most.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Armenian

The discussion is about the army but different people are giving different interpretations about the army... right?

Then you should address them by quote..

[achaaban]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

There are sectarians and patriots in every institution, however the army is better placed than most.

The Army should be brainwashed with one idea, defend and die, to protect the state of Lebanon.

For the Army it should not be a choice, it is an obligation, otherwise why pay taxpayers money for an army that might defend a sect rather than the nation.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by achaaban

The Army should be brainwashed with one idea defend and die to protect the state of Lebanon.

You and Armenian have been stating the obvious

Originally Posted by achaaban

For the Army it should not be a choice, it is an obligation, otherwise why pay taxpayers money for an army that might defend a sect rather than the nation.

That is why for the time being,

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

You need it in order to keep Palestinian militias and other foreign armed elements in check in addition to keeping Lebanese armed elements and militias under relative control.