SHN speech-third anniversary victory( August 14th, 2009)

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Armenian

I agree with you about trying to impose peace ( even though I don't believe it's possible for now, Israel need another big defeat and USA need to stop the help)

But the only think I believe in, and SHN clearly explained it, is about being powerful ( military wise) in order to be respected and in order to impose your will and live freely...

Military force and will to defend a country are the key factors to preserve a country...

Power for the sake of power ?
again, Israel is ready to accept peace
the question is ARE WE READY TO ACCEPT PEACE ?
what do we realy want, peace ? or war until ...
fill in the blank (Free Golan, Free Jerusalem, Destroy Israel, Let Iran get Nuclear weapon, ...,...)
and, most importantly, who should make this desision ?

Thank you

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by e.kid

1,2,3 are OK, we can get these whithout a pb

4- how do you evaluate this ? and, what about damages caused by palestians from lebaneese sail prior to 1978 ? what if israel said that it was lebanon who started hostilities (which is a fact) ? should we accept Lahaye international tribunal on this issue ?
In any case, the government should decide this, not HA.
And in any case, do you calculate how much we are loosing for not having peace, and compare this to how much you want to ask from israel ?
I mean, suppose you wan to ask 20B from israel, while we are loosing 5B/year because the state of war, should we continue forever refusing peace ? or should we sign, and then try to get as much as possible via Lahaye ?

Who's asking for damages from Palestinians? You want to sign peace with Israel and you ask for damages from Palis? huh?

No, we can not accept an internation tribunal because it will be msayyasseh, we should impose our peace with our conditions.

The government should negotiate when the government start caring about the south, when the government builds schools, hospitals, mostawsafet and so on, the government can start talking in the name of the southern people, but as long as Beirut is their main focus and nothing else matters, HA talks in the name of the south (south Saida that is )

5- Palestinians are never going back to israel.

And we are never signing peace with Israel

we can negotiae the departure of many of them to arab and occidental states.
Not signing peace, will leave all of them here.
Which you prefer ?
To be prepared for defense will not change this. It will not force Israel to take them back.
you may be able to change this if you ATTACK israel, which HN said he dont want to do.

Defense becomes attack when the opportunity is suitable

Finnaly, it is not up to the fighter to decide
it is up to the government
that is in the constitution

review my upper part of the post

Stop trying to force your views/opinion on the lebaneese pople

You can't even spell Lebanese and you want to preach about the situation in Lebanon???

its up to the government/parliament to decide
not you, not the fighters, not HN, and not Assad & Khamenei

Blah

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

Defense becomes attack when the opportunity is suitable

Stop talking abou defense strategy
Say it outloud, and see how many lebaneese will support you
even in the brain washed south

[hhhh23]

At this point, I think the best strategy is to integrate the army within HA, and let the army give up its weapons to HA. After that, HA can take over, and start its attack strategy against Israel. It is time to wipe out Israel on the face of this planet, so this is the only way to do it. If HA keeps operating alongside the government this will never happen, the proof is that HA has been trying to wipe out Israel and kick them out of Lebanon since 1982, and so far they obviously failed. 27 years and Israel is till occupying Lebanon, did not pay any compensation, the palestinians are still in Lebanon, the prisoners are still in Israel.

We all know that HA is more than capable of destroying Israel, and the only thing that stopped HA from doing so is the Lebanese government since 1982. I think HA should no longer wait for this corrupt government, it should immediately take over the government, integrate the army within the resistance (those who dont want to can always go to Israel their friend), and start its offense on Israel to wipe it out once and for all.

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by e.kid

Stop talking abou defense strategy
Say it outloud, and see how many lebaneese will support you
even in the brain washed south

Which defensive strategy are you talking about?

what do you want the Lebaneeeeeese to know loool

brain washed south, there you go, you said it shattour

[teshesh]

peace should be linked to the nature of the israeli regime before being linked to any compensations.

in the early 90s there where another racist regime savagely ruling in south africa, applying racial segregation rules by the force of the white minority, and imposing sick ideas on all the inhabitants of that nation.
the nature of the south african regime was more than enough for all the free world to fight against it. south africa did not occupy any part of france and germany per example, but these countries took a stand against it... the international pressure led finally to the collapse of the racist regime, and a new democratic nation was born.

south african regime wasn't as cruel and criminal as israel and its armed wing terrorist organization called IDF. we should continue the fight (not only with arms), work toward isolating israel, in the same time make all possible effort to counter its aggressiveness .... at the end it WILL collapse, and a democracy will be born instead. then, and only then, a real peace can be established.

i hope you all see that day.

[shevchenco]

[NewB]

The US and Mexico have peace. Yet both countries have an army and are ready for war if that is required. Why do you want lebanon to be a weak country and you want peace with an enemy?

You must be the one whose brainwashed not the south. The south ashraf minnak w min yali bifakir mitlak.

[shevchenco]

Ziad Rahbani on the July 2006 War ( w latshe la qaboot saqr):

[jimy86leb]

Why on earth i have to pay the price of a cause i don't believe in?
Fighting Israel is not my religious duty !
... I don't want to delete israel from the map, I want to be like other arabs who signed peace with Israel ...
Hassan Nasrallah spoke like he represented all the Lebanese ! i hope he won't mess with israel in the future and destroy Lebanon again ..

Originally Posted by theMightyRedV

You dont need to pay the price of anything. you can join the rest of the shurafa tanning their toes and asses while Lebanon is under attack.

Why should you care when rafada and Iranians are dying - they have no place in Lebanon anyway.

Why don't you join them in the next war that they've planned and help eliminate the majoos iranian existence in Lebanon?

Mess with "israel" ? Its fruitloop wanabe's like yourself sitting behind their computer that heckle and try and mock the lions of the resistance who shed their blood and souls to defend the land of the cedar from an "israeli" war of imposed destruction that make me say TFEH 3ala hek sha3eb.

Allah ye7mi wu yensor aslak ya Sayyed Hassan.

Not all the Lebanese have the religious duty of deleting Israel from the map !

Why you cant accept History and stop living in clouds. Israel exist and will keep on existing. We must do like other arabs and sign peace with Israel.

Why the Lebanese people have to pay the blood and the economic price of fighting Israel while other arabs have touristic exchange programs with Israel ?

Hezbollah is nothing but a branch of the Khomeini regime in Iran. Everybody witnessed how that regime treat its people ! Now its clearer to me how Hezbollah would treat people who oppose him and especially those in the South !

In 2006, it was a nightmare to live the war. The human casualties, the infrastructure, the bridges, ... I don't want this to happen again !