SHN speech-third anniversary victory( August 14th, 2009)

[jamez29]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Let me put it to you in the most simple, easy way a human brain can understand it:

-Israel tried to destroy the resistance, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel then tried to weaken the resistance, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to occupy Lebanon, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel then tried to reach the Litani, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to terrorize, scare,intimidate and impose its rules on Lebanon, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to occupy Bint Jbeil, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to occupy a village called Maroun El Rass that is on top of a little hill, 400 meters from the border, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to get back its captured soldiers, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to keep Lebanese prisonners , but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel tried to obtain a UNSC resolution serving all its projects, but it failed because it was defeated.

-Israel begged for a cessation of hostilities after the Wadi El Hujair Merkava slaughter (44 in few hours and around 50 other vehicules) and the 33 days of middle range rockets non-stop and more then a million displaced, because it finally acknowledged that it was defeated.


Wait a minute...Did i hear many times "Israel was defeated"?...Oh...Then there must be a victory somewhere...Eh Na3iman Lakan!!

nice colorful post but you missed the orange and the yellow

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by jamez29

nice colorful post but you missed the orange and the yellow

We are lebanese of martyrs drink cheers of the martyrs of both mixing orange and yellow blood against enemy Israel of Zion.

We never learn of history for our future coming.

[Kasparov]

Originally Posted by jamez29

when two countries involve in a war
how you can measure a victory ?
or what's a victory means ?
at what time we can say this country won and they have a victory over the other country ?
occupying the other country land = victory
destroying the other country army = victory
one country surrender = victory
occupying part from the other country land = victory
killing more soldiers from the other country = victory

as arab i think we measure the victory 100% different than other nations

hiding from the enemy = victory
losing land = victory
destroying our country = victory
losing civilians by the thousands and fighters by the hundreds and barley kill any one from the enemy = victory

the funny thing we celebrate this victory every year
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your definitions remind me how kids debate about their fathers, victory is measured in different ways and cant be limited to what you wrote, what HA achieved is called a "Strategical victory", i.e. the position of HA & Arabs in general is now much better than pre-2006, and this is not the only strategical one (the other one is 2000, which is also military victory since land was freed), in order to understand why it is a victory you need to evaluate each side pre-2006, and then post 2006, and think about what happened and how the future of each entity is effected .

[e.kid]

HN is a very good speaker, that only appears every many years

Much of what he said is true
However, i see a big issue
When he said that one of the solution is to be a slave to israel
I dont see why, after all the victories (real as in 2000, and devine as in 06), we dont try to impose the peace we want on israel, at least as an equal to equal peace, as an AHole once said, the peace of the courageous.
We can always back out if there is something we dont like
lets just try
think about it

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

I didn't listen to the speech.... Did he declare that he will be voluntarily disarming and transforming Hezbollah to a political party?

Why don't you listen to it? It's educative.

No, he didn't say he wants to surrender to Israel, that's definitely not on the agenda. No one's disarming until you relocate to the south and shield us from Israeli bullets with your own flesh. Up for that Mr J?

And oh, transforming HA to a 'political party'? lol Yeah, when the Israelis come again, the polititcians will raise their pens in their faces to scare them off. You people talk like a bunch of 10 year olds.

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by e.kid

HN is a very good speaker, that only appears every many years

Much of what he said is true
However, i see a big issue
When he said that one of the solution is to be a slave to israel
I dont see why, after all the victories (real as in 2000, and devine as in 06), we dont try to impose the peace we want on israel, at least as an equal to equal peace, as an AHole once said, the peace of the courageous.
We can always back out if there is something we dont like
lets just try
think about it

They have our peace conditions, they are not interested

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

They have our peace conditions, they are not interested

They do ?
I don't, please post.
Maybe we all lebaneese should first agree on these conditions before you give to the israelis, no ?
HA want to decide on war, and now you want to also decide on peace ?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by jamez29

nice colorful post but you missed the orange and the yellow

Na, red and blue fit just perfectly ;) Reality Jamy, just look reality in the face for once and tell her how beautiful she looks.

[cedarheart]

IMHO, Military victories are defined by the following:

-For the conqueror: achieving goals AND getting the enemy to sign an armistice
-For the defender: not letting the conqueror achieve his goals and send him back to square 1

For the June 06 war, Israel clearly identified its goal: destroying Hezbollah, did it achieve it? NO
Did Israel find itself at square one at then end of the war? YES

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by e.kid

They do ?
I don't, please post.
Maybe we all lebaneese should first agree on these conditions before you give to the israelis, no ?
HA want to decide on war, and now you want to also decide on peace ?

I don't think all Lebanese should agree on it. Definitely not people who signed 17th of May and whom have been previously in bed with Israelis. Elli 3am yekol 3osseh mish metel elli 3am bi 3eddon.

I don't have a paper, but SHN has announced many times the conditions:

1. Leave all Lebanese lands
2. Free all prisoners (it is believe yehya skaff is still in prison, nothing confirmed so far)
3. Provide land mines maps (including cluster bombs)
4. Pay compensations for all harm done
5. Take back All Palestinians (on Lebanese soils)

etc...


Good luck convincing Israelis with that