SHN speech: one year anniversary of Imad Mogniyeh (16-2-2009)

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

Years mean more than 3 Tai. The decision to use them was dependant on the need at the time. You don’t show your hand when you play poker do you?
The surprises are numerous and can tip the balance of power in the region. Strategically speaking we can be looked at as a major power entity in our domain.
I’m not disclosing any secrets here Tai. If you go back to my posts you’d see hints of the power and effectiveness of HA.
There’s a lot more to HA than anyone can even imagine or even dream of , militarily, intelligence, research and development, or any area that can further the strength and effectiveness of the party.

thanks 4U, but shshshshsh... say no more.. let the secrets rest for now ;) For the sake of expanding the discussion a little, tell me: If you had those weapons for more than 3 years, what strategical more important goal could those weapons serve, if effective enough, than the arch purpose they were invented and possessed for, namely saving our lebanese people's lives?

Don't tell me you have the parallel of Coventry's bombing during WWII when the allies refrained from defending it effectively in order to not disclose their possession of Enigma?

[TayyarBeino]

Audio: - Lebanon news - www.elnashra.com

full text: http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...69&language=ar

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by taifoon

thanks 4U, but shshshshsh... say no more.. let the secrets rest for now ;) For the sake of expanding the discussion a little, tell me: If you had those weapons for more than 3 years, what strategical more important goal could those weapons serve, if effective enough, than the arch purpose they were invented and possessed for, namely saving our lebanese people's lives?

Don't tell me you have the parallel of Coventry's bombing during WWII when the allies refrained from defending it effectively in order to not disclose their possession of Enigma?

No I won’t make any parallel because none exist anyways. HA is unique in every way and cannot be compared to any resistance movement, or any other party in the history of the world. The uniqueness comes from the solid foundation of the party when it was incepted. You can look at HA as you look at a major car company, always looking for future improved designs while maintaining a solid structure that will allow it to reach the time when those designs can be implemented.
I honestly cannot go into the decisions taken not to use those weapons in July of 2006, but you can think about them as part of a package. The surprises during that war were intended and designed to come in increments as the needs demanded. When the course of the war demanded the elimination of the effectiveness of the Israeli Navy, a weapon was introduced to push that part of the Israeli military machine out of the equation. This is all I can say about this subject.
When in war, especially a war of existence, and when your enemy is backed by the most powerful nations on our planet, certain decisions needed to be made that go beyond the scope of moment.
When you know that your enemy is always there awaiting the right moment to attempt to wipe you out no matter what the cost is, your tactics to deal with this enemy have to be unconventional and unexpected.
The next war if it becomes a reality will be the last fought with the so called State of Israel. This I can assure you. The surprises awaiting them cannot be thought of by their best war planners or by any of their strategic allies.

[Hiram of Tyre]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

Yeah it was a great speech as usual.

Same speech different day...

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

No I won’t make any parallel because none exist anyways. HA is unique in every way and cannot be compared to any resistance movement, or any other party in the history of the world. The uniqueness comes from the solid foundation of the party when it was incepted. You can look at HA as you look at a major car company, always looking for future improved designs while maintaining a solid structure that will allow it to reach the time when those designs can be implemented.
I honestly cannot go into the decisions taken not to use those weapons in July of 2006, but you can think about them as part of a package. The surprises during that war were intended and designed to come in increments as the needs demanded. When the course of the war demanded the elimination of the effectiveness of the Israeli Navy, a weapon was introduced to push that part of the Israeli military machine out of the equation. This is all I can say about this subject.
When in war, especially a war of existence, and when your enemy is backed by the most powerful nations on our planet, certain decisions needed to be made that go beyond the scope of moment.
When you know that your enemy is always there awaiting the right moment to attempt to wipe you out no matter what the cost is, your tactics to deal with this enemy have to be unconventional and unexpected.
The next war if it becomes a reality will be the last fought with the so called State of Israel. This I can assure you. The surprises awaiting them cannot be thought of by their best war planners or by any of their strategic allies.

Nchallah we will Back Hezbollah up with Everything we've Got In the Next war To Create the Ultimate Victory Over Zionism.

[lebluv]

Originally Posted by Hiram of Tyre

Same speech different day...

At least not different speech every different day ma hek

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

No I won’t make any parallel because none exist anyways. HA is unique in every way and cannot be compared to any resistance movement, or any other party in the history of the world. The uniqueness comes from the solid foundation of the party when it was incepted. You can look at HA as you look at a major car company, always looking for future improved designs while maintaining a solid structure that will allow it to reach the time when those designs can be implemented.
I honestly cannot go into the decisions taken not to use those weapons in July of 2006, but you can think about them as part of a package. The surprises during that war were intended and designed to come in increments as the needs demanded. When the course of the war demanded the elimination of the effectiveness of the Israeli Navy, a weapon was introduced to push that part of the Israeli military machine out of the equation. This is all I can say about this subject.
When in war, especially a war of existence, and when your enemy is backed by the most powerful nations on our planet, certain decisions needed to be made that go beyond the scope of moment.
When you know that your enemy is always there awaiting the right moment to attempt to wipe you out no matter what the cost is, your tactics to deal with this enemy have to be unconventional and unexpected.
The next war if it becomes a reality will be the last fought with the so called State of Israel. This I can assure you. The surprises awaiting them cannot be thought of by their best war planners or by any of their strategic allies.

I see you managed to inject, probably on purpose, more messages in that sentence in bold than what meets the eye. It's a foreboding alright, and as such let's sincerely hope that the "if" will remain a conditional "if" that will never trigger a "then" and that better conditions are met instead.

As much as I understand your warring readiness and unreserved enthusiasm for what Hizbollah as an organization is capable of in regard to the war against Israel and the concept of defeating it, I wish you one day, before hell unleashes, consider the benefits of another approach, which I advocated for in previous discussions.

I still believe that it is through total fair peace you can bring Israel to its end.
You may argue, well that is why we do wars. In order to be able to reach a stage where Israelis would accept fair peace, we need to defend ourselves in the mean time. I agree to that, but not to the finality of any coming battle.

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by taifoon

I see you managed to inject, probably on purpose, more messages in that sentence in bold than what meets the eye. It's a foreboding alright, and as such let's sincerely hope that the "if" will remain a conditional "if" that will never trigger a "then" and that better conditions are met instead.

As much as I understand your warring readiness and unreserved enthusiasm for what Hizbollah as an organization is capable of in regard to the war against Israel and the concept of defeating it, I wish you one day, before hell unleashes, consider the benefits of another approach, which I advocated for in previous discussions.

I still believe that it is through total fair peace you can bring Israel to its end.
You may argue, well that is why we do wars. In order to be able to reach a stage where Israelis would accept fair peace, we need to defend ourselves in the mean time. I agree to that, but not to the finality of any coming battle.

I will indulge you with my personal views on what you proposed Tai, even though I believe we’ve had this discussion before.
As a nation, Israel is the only one built around its armed forces and not vise versa. Meaning the nation’s existence is solely dependant on the effectiveness, readiness, and ferocity of its armed forces. Such a nation when it seeks peace, the peace has to be first and foremost conditional, and the conditions have to be dictated by Israel for various reasons which I will not go into now.
Israel’s aspirations in the region are not done yet. Many argue that the peace agreements signed or unsigned with the Arab countries are proof enough that Israel is determined to live in peace with its neighbors, the argument would carry to the conclusion that if Syria and Lebanon would follow the model of the rest of the Arabic world than we can obtain a peace agreement to guarantee our safe existence in the region. Even though the argument may seem logical, it’s full of flaws and misconceptions. The peace agreement with Egypt gave Israel what it wanted from that country, the same with Jordan, and the same will be said if such a deal is struck with Syria. It’s a fallacy to even think that Israel would hand over the Golan Heights to secure its border with Syria. This will never happen, and the coming years will prove my words. The Golan Heights in its majority will be a permanent part of the State of Israel with guaranteed rights to the majority of its water resources. Only than will Israel accept to be a peaceful neighbor to Syria. In Lebanon the story is basically the same, few here understand the strategic importance of the Shebaa farms to Israel. There is no way in HELL (capital letters for emphasis) Israel will relinquish those rights in the farms to the Lebanese. None. Those who argue that if Syria declares the farms Lebanese than Israel will let go of them to seek peace are either naïve, or stupid enough to believe the political leaders who use these words in their campaigns against HA and Syria.
I can go on for hours analyzing and explaining the intricate details governing a peace treaty with Israel and what it may entail, but no one will read them and no one will believe them anyways.
To summarize, HA views Israel as it really is. The State of Israel was researched by the best minds the resistance have, and every scenario was studied and restudied to find a solution, but none was attainable. The only way to deal with it is the way we’re doing it now. Deterrence, fear, surprises, and firmness. We match every move they make and counter them with dynamic moves of our own.
My words in the previous post were not out of “unreserved enthusiasm” but out of pure logic and understanding of the overall readiness of the party.
There will be no peace with Israel, and another war is imminent. Again I’m not trying to scare anyone, but merely stating facts. The timing of such war is dependant on many factors the majority of which are out of our immediate control, but within the enemy’s scope of operation. They will choose the time, and they will come after us with a vengeance unseen yet in any war old or modern. We know that, they know that. What they don’t know id what’s awaiting them, and that’s where their fate lays.

Peace.

[King Rami]

Hassan Nasrallah is giving geagea too much importance by replying to his Swiss defense strategy thing...
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لو يعلم الصهاينة ماذا يملك حزب الله لرأيتهم يرمون أنفسهم بالبحر بس كل شي بوقته حلو
that was really hot

[J.Hanna]

4u, what exactly did israel get from egypt and jordon? you said the peace agreement gave israel what it wanted from them....what did it get other than peace? Egypt and Jordon are soverign, indpendent nations. Israel has never once violated their soveriegnties scince they signed the peace agreement. Please explain.