SHN Speech on Jerusalem Day - 18/09/09

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by ius

The interesting question for me at least is whether democratization in the middle east must lead to Sunni-Shia tensions. Are the only two options dictators like Saddam or Sunni-Shia strife?

Really? so I'm guessing that KSA,Egypt,Libya,Jordan etc.. are democratic regimes? if not then why didnt this democratization start from there?

Originally Posted by ius

You give the US and Israel too much credit for being able to predict the future. Given the results in Iraq, you know the US at least is very weak at this. And I can assure you that Israel has no crystal ball either. It could be that Israeli and US actions aggravate the Sunni-Shia divide but on the other hand, having an outside enemy usually unites people. What direct actions of the US and Israel you think were aimed at causing such strife?

I give them credit for easily manipulating with the Arab filth.

The US are weak in Iraq because they underestimated the Syrian and Iranian influence and capability of infiltrating Iraq.

The US have created two enemies for the arabs, in both cases it served Israel a great deal. The first one is the Al-Ka3ida, the US trained its leaders and armed them indirectly, hence distracting the Arab kings who are currently concerned in fighting "terrorism" that are threatening their kingdoms and regimes.
The second one is Iran, those ignorant arabs now are brainwashed by media propaganda of a persian invasion of the gulf because Iran might develop a nuclear bomb in the near future. If you carefully analyse the policies of the Arabs at the moment, you could easily tell that their enemy is Iran now, not Israel.

Ever wondered why those stupid terrorists are practising their Jihad in Iraq and afghanistan, not Israel?

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Fine, although 9/11 occurred in 2001 and FPM was still repeating what I am saying here for four years until 2005, and then all of a sudden Lebanon relocated from an "island in Europe", to the eastern shore of the Med!

not really, FPM saved Lebanon once from a civil war when others were trying to isolate Hizballa in preparation of a big blow

to its militarily structure. FPM also saved the christians from being used by Jumblat for his war against the shi3a and the Syrian regime.

After talks of nationalising the Palestenians started again amongst high ranked politicians in the West and the Arab regimes, which lead

to strengthening the alliance between FPM and HA. You might wonder why didnt Aoun foresee all of this coming, but he isnt exactly a

fortune teller, sudden regional developments influenced his stance regarding this issue.

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Are you advocating sectarian armament as the solution? What is the solution? For Hezbollah's militia to take control of the country directly or indirectly by force? You know that wont last, and sectarian conflict will continue and militias will sprout from all sides. Is this your plan for the country? What is your plan for the country, given your support today for a sectarian Shiite militia?

the sectarian armament is the only solution for minorities to survive in the middle east, read a bit on the history of this region and how these minorities managed to survive. Tell me why Iraq, the land of the Assyrians, doesnt have any Assyrian left in it. Why are the coptics in Egypt persecuted? why are the shiites of KSA persecuted?

There is no solution for this country ya Joseph, a civil war will errupt soon and the strong will survive. All we can do as christians now is minimise the number of our enemies,since KSA, the US and the Arab regimes are natural enemies of the Christians of Lebanon. The shiites are strong allies and dont have interests in kicking us out of this country, or else get our kids out of monot and arm them.

[ius]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

Really? so I'm guessing that KSA,Egypt,Libya,Jordan etc.. are democratic regimes? if not then why didnt this democratization start from there?


I give them credit for easily manipulating with the Arab filth.

The US are weak in Iraq because they underestimated the Syrian and Iranian influence and capability of infiltrating Iraq.

The US have created two enemies for the arabs, in both cases it served Israel a great deal. The first one is the Al-Ka3ida, the US trained its leaders and armed them indirectly, hence distracting the Arab kings who are currently concerned in fighting "terrorism" that are threatening their kingdoms and regimes.
The second one is Iran, those ignorant arabs now are brainwashed by media propaganda of a persian invasion of the gulf because Iran might develop a nuclear bomb in the near future. If you carefully analyse the policies of the Arabs at the moment, you could easily tell that their enemy is Iran now, not Israel.

Ever wondered why those stupid terrorists are practising their Jihad in Iraq and afghanistan, not Israel?

I am not saying that KSA etc should not democratize. I am asking whether democratization will most likely lead to Sunni-Shia strife. Al-Qaida was used to fight the Russians. Again, the US proved it was short sighted by not understanding that eventually they will turn on the US. As for Iran, do you really think that the US and Israel favor the current regime???

My point is that you are finding plans and conspiracies where there are not any. The Sunni-Shia strife is an internal problem over which the US and Israel have very limited control.