Shia Representation In Lebanon - The Orange Room

mehdi soldier

after the recent events and the hezballah led-opposition take over of beirut in few hours,i as an ordinary shia was hoping to become a full fledge lebanese citizens.i have discussed this topic in the old forum and its unfortunate it cannot be accessed today for discussion and i have to open another thread.

SHIA REPRESENTATION IN LEBANON

In the old thread posted above,it was hinted that hezballah could possibly exchange its weapons for either the cancellation of the confessional/sectarian system in lebanon or having a greater shia voice in govt. which could possibly mean the shia could have a higher representation than that of the speaker of parliament,the position spared for the shia community in lebanon.

after the recent events,it has come to show that the hezballah weaponry is purely for resistance purpose and not to be used for internal political changes or to score points internally.true some might say hezballah has used its weapons internally,but even if that allegation is proved right,its obvious its was only used for the preservation of the weapons to fight "israel".like sayyed nasrallah said "we will use weapons to defend the weapons".

after all these,i as an ordinary lebanese come to ask:after the wars and civil conflicts and after the latest events which caused death to many,what have we gained?

the essence of the problem and the soul that causes dissatisfaction (political wise) in lebanon is the confessionalism.after all the troubles and nightmares,the system is still there proudly being followed.what led me to reignite is topic are the comments i read in another thread.several names to succeed general michel sulaiman were mentioned.unfortunately some came out to point that some of the names cannot hold that office because "he's druze" or "he's catholic" or "he's not maronite!"

very disgusting to say the least.i as ordinary citizen have gained nothing from the muqawama they have been terrorizin day and night to disarm other than continously sacrificing our men and children to die in fighting against "israel" to free our land from occupation because our national army is weak and cannot protect us.i have gained nothing from the presence of hezballah internally in lebanon.i have gained nothing from them carrying weapons.i am still considered not fit for many important NATIONAL offices because i believe in a particular religion.and unfortunatly this could be the case for my generations to come

dont misunderstand me,am not crying for a post.am crying against discrimination and injustice.am crying against sectionalism in my country which the presence of hezballah or its weapon or the presence of the opposition has not ameliorated.its even more distasteful that no hint of abolishing this stupid confessionalism was mentioned in doha.infact confessionalism is the "way of life" that so many have forgotted about it or have not against it.

>Watani<

Mehdi, after 59 pages of discussions, what did you understand? as for the whole new thread re-openned, my reply will be the Speech of Sayyed Nassrallah on Monday 26th of May 2008!

sailormoon

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Originally Posted by mehdi soldier

after the recent events and the hezballah led-opposition take over of beirut in few hours,i as an ordinary shia was hoping to become a full fledge lebanese citizens.

Please spare us from the false propaganda like "we Shias are 2 nd class citizens" etc... no you re not ordinary citizens because you re privileged ones maza la ya7ouk li ghayrkom ya7uku lakom , you have your private army, you can wage a war or burn Beirut if you feel like doing it, you don t pay your bills. All we want from you is to become ordinary Lebanese citizens and not a bunch of blood suckers at the expense of the brave and honest people of this country.

just_lebanese_80

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Originally Posted by mehdi soldier

after the recent events and the hezballah led-opposition take over of beirut in few hours,i as an ordinary shia was hoping to become a full fledge lebanese citizens.i have discussed this topic in the old forum and its unfortunate it cannot be accessed today for discussion and i have to open another thread.

SHIA REPRESENTATION IN LEBANON

In the old thread posted above,it was hinted that hezballah could possibly exchange its weapons for either the cancellation of the confessional/sectarian system in lebanon or having a greater shia voice in govt. which could possibly mean the shia could have a higher representation than that of the speaker of parliament,the position spared for the shia community in lebanon.

after the recent events,it has come to show that the hezballah weaponry is purely for resistance purpose and not to be used for internal political changes or to score points internally.true some might say hezballah has used its weapons internally,but even if that allegation is proved right,its obvious its was only used for the preservation of the weapons to fight "israel".like sayyed nasrallah said "we will use weapons to defend the weapons".

after all these,i as an ordinary lebanese come to ask:after the wars and civil conflicts and after the latest events which caused death to many,what have we gained?

the essence of the problem and the soul that causes dissatisfaction (political wise) in lebanon is the confessionalism.after all the troubles and nightmares,the system is still there proudly being followed.what led me to reignite is topic are the comments i read in another thread.several names to succeed general michel sulaiman were mentioned.unfortunately some came out to point that some of the names cannot hold that office because "he's druze" or "he's catholic" or "he's not maronite!"

very disgusting to say the least.i as ordinary citizen have gained nothing from the muqawama they have been terrorizin day and night to disarm other than continously sacrificing our men and children to die in fighting against "israel" to free our land from occupation because our national army is weak and cannot protect us.i have gained nothing from the presence of hezballah internally in lebanon.i have gained nothing from them carrying weapons.i am still considered not fit for many important NATIONAL offices because i believe in a particular religion.and unfortunatly this could be the case for my generations to come

dont misunderstand me,am not crying for a post.am crying against discrimination and injustice.am crying against sectionalism in my country which the presence of hezballah or its weapon or the presence of the opposition has not ameliorated.its even more distasteful that no hint of abolishing this stupid confessionalism was mentioned in doha.infact confessionalism is the "way of life" that so many have forgotted about it or have not against it.

Are you against the system b/c you think the most qualified person should be in a position no matter what sect he belongs to, or just b/c the shiia can not get a position higher than speaker of parliament?
In other words would you rather have clean and honest sunni president, PM and speaker or would you support a shiia president, PM and speaker just b/c they are shiia?

Learned

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Originally Posted by just_lebanese_80

Are you against the system b/c you think the most qualified person should be in a position no matter what sect he belongs to, or just b/c the shiia can not get a position higher than speaker of parliament?
In other words would you rather have clean and honest sunni president, PM and speaker or would you support a shiia president, PM and speaker just b/c they are shiia?

If there was a clean and honest president, pm, speaker, etc, whether s/he was sunni or marooni or derzi or armani or 3alawi, we would prefer an enernity of that over a corrupt shia who alignes himself with america/israel.

However, this isn't what mehdi soldier is talking about. Ms. sailormoon jumped into the thread and started attacking the consequences. What mehdi soldier wants to address are the causes of the problem, because addressing those will take care of the consequences in due time.

just_lebanese_80

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Originally Posted by Learned

If there was a clean and honest president, pm, speaker, etc, whether s/he was sunni or marooni or derzi or armani or 3alawi, we would prefer an enernity of that over a corrupt shia who alignes himself with america/israel.

However, this isn't what mehdi soldier is talking about. Ms. sailormoon jumped into the thread and started attacking the consequences. What mehdi soldier wants to address are the causes of the problem, because addressing those will take care of the consequences in due time.

then maybe mehdi soldier should have written his post as a lebanese citizen, not a lebanese shiia.

Positive Balance

It's funny that a thread calling for "shia representation" denounces sectarianism...

How do you think all the other religions other than the big three feel?? If the Shia need a Shia to represent them, then every religion in Lebanon other than the big three is represented neither by the president, speaker, nor prime minister. The most qualified and deserving Orthodox, Druze, Catholic, etc., can never even dream about getting any post of real significance under the sick system... Why don't you fight for their rights to have representation as well? Or is the fact that they (i) don't have enough numbers and (ii) don't have a private army make them less deserving of such rights?

As for your implicit expectation that weapons can bring about progress in Lebanon, well if that is the attitude of the current generation just like it was in the past, don't expect things to get better any time soon.

Disclaimer: don't get me wrong. I am all for Shia having fair representation, but not as Shia but as Lebanese.