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First the LF started the war against the lebanese government in 1990, mainly to weacken the army and let Taef pass. If you still don't know this truth ya3ne I don't know in what planet are you living in.
Second, yes GMA wanted to bring the militia weapons under the control of the government and he wants it now, this is why there was something called MoU. But you are too blind to see it.
It is called deliberate blindness:D Somewhere deep inside unconsciously they feel the truth, but it is sooooooo hard to admit it.
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Bashing, criticizing etc. Is it possible, for once, to have a normal debate ? I mean it's very easy to criticize. You're criticizing FPM and HA. OK. Propose something, an alternative...

Since 2005, I only heard critics coming from the febers. But I never heard them proposing something...a project, a political program, an alternative to the FPM's position. Nothing.

Is this the "alternative" you're proposing ? Just say that syrians are mean people and FPM are fascists or syrians or HA lackeys or God knows what ?

Febers political level is so flimsy.
My dear, FPM is not proposing anything but the creation of sectarian fears within the christians to earn votes, the electoral program of FPM is good to be put in the garbage can since it was violated not only in the details but in the basics, let us not talk about the party principles.
Did march 14 propose much? were they good? Personally i think they were bad, but they proposed at least institutions, making it sound that the only choice available is statelessness, is very similar to the position of Hariri and jumblatt supporters during the syrian era, a position that you are taking now.
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the problem isn't that hizbullah wants to stick to its arms and that the (armed) angelinc febs want to dismantle it. no

the problem is that the febs don't want any form of defense against isreal be it hizbullah or any new body in the future, and here’s the deadlock.

they even don't want the lebanese army to be on serious vigil against israel. it's just bad for their political interests, they would much rather prefer having the army serve tea to the IDF.
here is the problem nothing more nothing less. hell will have to break wide open into heaven b4 the febs would allow the army to be equipped properly to face israel or syrian or anybody else.
It's because the threat coming from Israel is not that amplified in the media as much as the threat coming from Hezbollah, Iran, Syria or Wi2am Wahhab is.
Some people don't even view Israel as an enemy state or better yet, as a terrorist state.


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they just need an army and security forces to police their hotel state.
the same trashy model we find everywhere in the gulf region..
They call it "Building a State". An appealing motto for the masses that should be always used as a contradiction to "militias". Much like the contradiction between a man wearing a suit and a man wearing khaki combat briefs. As long as the man is wearing a suit, he's allowed to transgress every moral or legal value, whereas the man wearing combat briefs is de-facto outside of the clean norm, guilty until proven innocent and an outlaw by nature.
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Shallowness is when i think that it is ok that HA dosent cooperate with the LA and Jurdicial system in lebanon ..
When SHN says we dont deliver fighters regardless of the mistake or accident or assult they do what will think of this statment ?

I need a clarification from HA supporters ..
نحن لا نسلم أحدا غصبا عنه


This statement is a sign of trust and purity. No one fights for HA without conviction. His whole ideology is based on the respect of his fighters and followers. He is beneath them . Thats why in 2006 , he said "... I kiss your feet "
The fighter didn't lie. He simply experienced an incident. Its like driving into an accident ! Are you called a murderer without intent ?? Of course no.

Let the Judiciary explain.
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نحن لا نسلم أحدا غصبا عنه


This statement is a sign of trust and purity. No one fights for HA without conviction. His whole ideology is based on the respect of his fighters and followers. He is beneath them . Thats why in 2006 , he said "... I kiss your feet "
The fighter didn't lie. He simply experienced an incident. Its like driving into an accident ! Are you called a murderer without intent ?? Of course no.

Let the Judiciary explain.
I am not saying he is a murderer .. I am objecting on the above statment in Arabic .. Why HA dosent educate thier fighters that if any accidents like this one we had they are not responsible and they will be brought to justice and running away is not an option.
So according to the above statement , if i kill someone accidentaly and i refuse to deliver myself , HA will do nothing and will not bring me to justice .. Very scary i tell you ..

+ Judiciary cant reach SHN to question him by refusing delivering fighters to justice ..
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I am not saying he is a murderer .. I am objecting on the above statment in Arabic .. Why HA dosent educate thier fighters that if any accidents like this one we had they are not responsible and they will be brought to justice and running away is not an option.
So according to the above statement , if i kill someone accidentaly and i refuse to deliver myself , HA will do nothing and will not bring me to justice .. Very scary i tell you ..

+ Judiciary cant reach SHN to question him by refusing delivering fighters to justice ..
Do you understand arabi ?? Ghasban 3nhoum ... means without their consent.

Shou.. Are you playing us for fouls ?
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I am not saying he is a murderer .. I am objecting on the above statment in Arabic .. Why HA dosent educate thier fighters that if any accidents like this one we had they are not responsible and they will be brought to justice and running away is not an option.
So according to the above statement , if i kill someone accidentaly and i refuse to deliver myself , HA will do nothing and will not bring me to justice .. Very scary i tell you ..

+ Judiciary cant reach SHN to question him by refusing delivering fighters to justice ..

Omg.. it scares you?

I find it more scary to kill many people intentionally and to be free.. At least, the fighters of HA are honorable people: they don't run away from justice as rabbits..
They are honest, trustful and pure..
Maybe it's just hard for you to believe it cz you never been in touch with such people.. but you have to try to live with it..
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TAQQIYA has been the greatest asset of that iranian puppet SHN. He keeps fooling the lebanese time and time again.
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There's no armed resistance movement in the history of the world that used blank bullets, operated under the umbrella of the state, or was immune from error.
Practically every armed resistance movement has been labeled as terrorists, mavericks or subservient to foreign powers.
The rationale to detract armed resistance and to curb them is the same one used today.
Armed resistance has a beginning and an end, armed resistance also does not get involved into politics because of the risk of utilizing its status for political leverage, which would greatly harm the armed resistance on longer term. May 7 was a clear example of "internal use of weaponry in order to protect the weaponry" in other words the use of weaponry for political leverage in order to protect the weaponry, this goes beyond armed resistance. The recent death of an air officer also represents the use of weapons in order to protect weapons.
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I am not saying he is a murderer .. I am objecting on the above statment in Arabic .. Why HA dosent educate thier fighters that if any accidents like this one we had they are not responsible and they will be brought to justice and running away is not an option.
So according to the above statement , if i kill someone accidentaly and i refuse to deliver myself , HA will do nothing and will not bring me to justice .. Very scary i tell you ..

+ Judiciary cant reach SHN to question him by refusing delivering fighters to justice ..
Come on, Mount Amel, you can't tell me that you don't understand the meaning of the statement. He was clarifying that they didn't forcefully hand the resistance fighter in question to the Lebanese Judiciary; rather this person gladly cooperated with the investigation into the incident. He wasn't saying that they shouldn't cooperate with the Lebanese Army. On the contrary, he was expressing that the resistance fighters do not have to be forced to cooperate; that they gladly do so on conviction.
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