Sayed Hassan Nassrallah speech September-4-2008

[zodiac]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

وماذا جرى في مار مخايل ايها الفيلسوف ؟ الم يهدر دمنا لاننا كنا نطالب بلقمة العيش؟ واين هم مسببي قتل الجنود الابطال والابرياء في نهر البارد؟ اين شاكر العبسي وكيف هرب؟ ولك روحو نضبو ، حكيكم وجعجعتكم ما بتاثر معنا. مساطيل نحنا لنسلم سلاحنا والسلفية داشرين بلبنان ، وفيه ناس عاشكالكم تجار دم ناطرين لتخلصو منا

THANK U VERY MUCH! u said it.. stop ur ja3ja3a lli ma ra7 t2assir ma3na!

لن نسلم سلاحنا والسلفيي داشرين بلينان! إيه والله هيدا الزمن الرديء الله يوفقك وقّف إدعاءات محاربة اسرائيل، ماذا سينفعك السلاح في الجنوب وانت ناوي تحارب "السلفيين" المزعومين في الشمال؟؟ يا حبيبي خلينا ذكرك بما قاله العماد عون يوما أن لا حركات أصولية حقيقية في لبنان وان الموجود حركات بأسماء إسلامية وهمية خلقتها سوريا لتبرير وجودها في لبنان... يمكن انا حامل حجة الجنرال وداير فيها بس بعرف إنها مظبوطة... وبدك تحكي عن تجار الدم شفلي شو كاتب بالاول كل ما دق الكوز بالجرة وانحشتروا شوي بتذكرني بشهدائكم وقتلاكم... كلنا قدمنا دم.. هيدا بلد بعدو عايش عالدم

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by chafic

How could anyone know if the shooting was intentional or not?
Hezbollah can engage in all sorts of outlawry, against the army, civilians or political opponents, and claim it's unintentional or maybe find any other excuse that could vary from preventing Fitna, to deterring Israelis, to protecting this, or defending that.
As long as Hezbollah remains an armed entity, capable of forcing its choices and decisions on the Lebanese state, it bears the major responsibility in any security incident taking place in Lebanon.

Hizballa took the repsonsibility for the shooting as you are requesting, but somehow you are not satisfied with it. You want to go further with them.

Just to simplify things for you, maybe you will think rationaly then. If someone kills his neighbour and admit that it was by mistake & unintentional, what will you do:

A: Try him alone and try to prove it was unintentional (what hizballa is asking for)
B: Try him alone and show him how bad his mistake was (what FPM is asking for)
C: Try him, his father, his mother, his brothers, his sisters, his cousins, his relatives, his friends.... (what feb.14th is asking for).

[zodiac]

Originally Posted by gma forever

نعم ماذا حصل في مار مخايل, و ماذا عن "الخط الاحمر" في نهر البارد, هل رأيت جنود حزب الله يقاتلون الجيش اللبناني؟؟؟

ما جرى في مار مخايل كان مؤامرة مكشوفة المعالم لضرب هيبة الجيش اللبناني وتوريطه في حرب داخلية مع بعض المرتزقة الذين تهجموا عليه تحت حجة انقطاع الكهرباء. ألم نر كيف كبل الجيش بعد هذه الاحداث ولم يعد باستطاعته التحرك لفك اعتصام أو احتجاز متهم من هؤلاء تحت حجة عدم تكرار ما حصل في مار مخايل والشياح؟

اما نهر البارد، فمن وضع الخط الاحمر لتحرك الجيش اللبناني، من قال أن المخيم خط أحمر وذلك لمنع الجيش من التصدي للارهابيين؟ في العراق يا صديقي أدلة قاطعة عن تورط إيران بتدريب مجموعات إرهابية سنية وتمويلها... فلم لا ينطبق هذا الامر عندنا؟

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by zodiac

THANK U VERY MUCH! u said it.. stop ur ja3ja3a lli ma ra7 t2assir ma3na!

لن نسلم سلاحنا والسلفيي داشرين بلينان! إيه والله هيدا الزمن الرديء الله يوفقك وقّف إدعاءات محاربة اسرائيل، ماذا سينفعك السلاح في الجنوب وانت ناوي تحارب "السلفيين" المزعومين في الشمال؟؟ يا حبيبي خلينا ذكرك بما قاله العماد عون يوما أن لا حركات أصولية حقيقية في لبنان وان الموجود حركات بأسماء إسلامية وهمية خلقتها سوريا لتبرير وجودها في لبنان... يمكن انا حامل حجة الجنرال وداير فيها بس بعرف إنها مظبوطة... وبدك تحكي عن تجار الدم شفلي شو كاتب بالاول كل ما دق الكوز بالجرة وانحشتروا شوي بتذكرني بشهدائكم وقتلاكم... كلنا قدمنا دم.. هيدا بلد بعدو عايش عالدم

if u think the wahhabis are just a fake and light issue, than
3ala la dounyye al salam
in nay case, if we were to wait for that killer sg and his likes to do anything we will all be either dead or refugees.
keep dreaming and avoiding realities, and we will do waht needs to be done.
and as for HA arms, as GMA said last month.

that issue has to do with the 400 thousand potential palestininas wahhabis and terrorists waiting to be naturalized..

all the noise that the 14shbatt can be summed up in one sentence

RANTING OF AN ANT..

LONG LIVE GMA
YES TO HA ARMS AND EVEN MORE MUCH MORE
NO TO PALESTINIANS IN LEBANON, ALL OUT NOW NOW
TFEH 3AL WAHHABIYYE .

SIGNED BY

3EBAD AL SALEEB.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by zodiac

ما جرى في مار مخايل كان مؤامرة مكشوفة المعالم لضرب هيبة الجيش اللبناني وتوريطه في حرب داخلية مع بعض المرتزقة الذين تهجموا عليه تحت حجة انقطاع الكهرباء. ألم نر كيف كبل الجيش بعد هذه الاحداث ولم يعد باستطاعته التحرك لفك اعتصام أو احتجاز متهم من هؤلاء تحت حجة عدم تكرار ما حصل في مار مخايل والشياح؟

اما نهر البارد، فمن وضع الخط الاحمر لتحرك الجيش اللبناني، من قال أن المخيم خط أحمر وذلك لمنع الجيش من التصدي للارهابيين؟ في العراق يا صديقي أدلة قاطعة عن تورط إيران بتدريب مجموعات إرهابية سنية وتمويلها... فلم لا ينطبق هذا الامر عندنا؟

مع احترامي لرأيك الشخصي لكن لا أشاطره معك. انك تتكلم عن المؤامرات و تضف عليها تحليلاتك الشخصية، ومن ثم تبني مواقفك متكلا على هذه التحليلات. الا تظن انه من الأجدى ان نبني مواقفنا متكلين على وقائع حسية ملموسة على الأرض؟

[chafic]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Hizballa took the repsonsibility for the shooting as you are requesting, but somehow you are not satisfied with it. You want to go further with them.

GMA forever, I'm saying that Hezbollah is responsible for all security and political instability all over Lebanon, not merely for that accident. Regarding this one, Hezbollah didn't take the responsibility, but rather reduced the incident to an unintentional one committed by a single individual. Taking the responsibility would mean that Hezbollah should directly start thinking the process of dismantling the militia it has built, part of a disarmament of all other groups, militias and mini militias.

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Just to simplify things for you, maybe you will think rationally then. If someone kills his neighbor and admit that it was by mistake & unintentional, what will you do:

A: Try him alone and try to prove it was unintentional (what hizballa is asking for)
B: Try him alone and show him how bad his mistake was (what FPM is asking for)
C: Try him, his father, his mother, his brothers, his sisters, his cousins, his relatives, his friends.... (what feb.14th is asking for).

1- The whole concept of the state had fallen in May 2008. Talking about "proving" when Hezbollah can force any decision is irrelevant. After all, anyone would doubt that any institution, or even the judicature would dare to disclose any information incriminating Hezbollah.
2- Regarding the analogy: You "A" and your neighbor "B" have agreed that a moral person "C" assumes the responsibility of protecting the building (or compound). When the father and mother, the ones supposed to be responsible for the family (moral person=Hezbollah) let their kids play with weapons, knowing that they can kill others, and knowing that they would push others to start carrying arms too, then yes, they're the first ones to be held responsible. They didn't only breach what's supposed to be agreed upon (exclusivity of weapons with "C") by letting their children carry arms but they also encouraged and glorified the possession of arms (by their children), just to bully the neighbor. How more guilty could they get?

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by chafic

GMA forever, I'm saying that Hezbollah is responsible for all security and political instability all over Lebanon, not merely for that accident. Regarding this one, Hezbollah didn't take the responsibility, but rather reduced the incident to an unintentional one committed by a single individual. Taking the responsibility would mean that Hezbollah should directly start thinking the process of dismantling the militia it has built, part of a disarmament of all other groups, militias and mini militias.

Dear Chafic, what more do you want than Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah took this incident on his own responsibiltiy for you to acknowledge that Hezballa is claiming responsibility for it? If one man die with a car accident, we don't work on not allowing all his family to drive cars anymore, but we rather take preventive measures in order not to allow such an accident to happen again.

I am not downgrading the seriousness of such an accident, but you don't solve a problem by creating a bigger one. I don't think it is fair or even logical to use an accident as a base to disarm a much wider and bigger resistance group that is Hizballa.

Originally Posted by chafic

1- The whole concept of the state had fallen in May 2008. Talking about "proving" when Hezbollah can force any decision is irrelevant. After all, anyone would doubt that any institution, or even the judicature would dare to disclose any information incriminating Hezbollah.
2- Regarding the analogy: You "A" and your neighbor "B" have agreed that a moral person "C" assumes the responsibility of protecting the building (or compound). When the father and mother, the ones supposed to be responsible for the family (moral person=Hezbollah) let their kids play with weapons, knowing that they can kill others, and knowing that they would push others to start carrying arms too, then yes, they're the first ones to be held responsible. They didn't only breach what's supposed to be agreed upon (exclusivity of weapons with "C") by letting their children carry arms but they also encouraged and glorified the possession of arms (by their children), just to bully the neighbor. How more guilty could they get?

May 2008 incidents happen after a very dangerous decision taken by the "illegal" government back then. Please don't put it in a context as if everything was smooth and cool and Hizballa decided suddenly to hit the street and oppress the people.
All this aside, and since you are a fan of the Lebanese government, well it was both Sanyoura governments, the present one and the one before, that gave the legal confirmation for Hizballa to carry their weapons at the moment. I find it a little strange to say the least, that the supporters of hariri, joumblatt and LF are not in line with their leadership's stances, from one side the leadership legitimises Hizballa's right to carry weapons, and from the other side, the supporters reject it. We don't find this on the side of FPM, since the leadership and their supporters are having the same opinion and the same stances upon that issue.

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by 4U2IMI8

Clarify? To whom? And why? You’ve got some nerve.
Encouraging for other assaults and incidents by whom? You need to clarify here not us.
No, we will not deliver anyone. Let them investigate, prosecute and detain whoever is found guilty. We don’t hand over anyone to the corrupt justice system that exists in Lebanon. We lost eight young men, butchered in cold blood, who wanted nothing but to protest for their minimal rights, where are the guilty ones? Are they in jail?
We’re expected to restrain ourselves repeatedly, yet if we make a mistake we’re expected to kneel, extend our neck, and wait for the blade to sever our head.
Not going to happen anymore.
After the August seventh event, we are not like before. This is not a threat; it’s a mere warning for those who think otherwise.
Lastly who gives a flying f!ck if it’s politically correct or not? You think we do? People should face realities instead of living in LALA land all the time. All the talk about us, and the vicious attacks against us, mean nothing to us. We are much focused, we know what we want, and we work hard to achieve our objectives regardless of the background noise others are so adamant on making.
A mistake was done by one of our cadre. He made a judgment mistake that cost the life of a young officer may he rest in peace. He knew how grave his mistake was, and he demanded to be handed over to authorities to answer for his mistake and face judgment. End of story. To hell with all who try to invest in his blood for political gain, in the hope of pressuring us into relinquishing our weapons, or cause strife between us and the LA; it will not happen.
I think a firm answer is needed to shake people to face realities.

What i meant dear , that next time any accidents or assults happen from HA fighters in the south or anywhere in lebanon , SHN is not willing to deliver them even if he knows that they are guilty and this was a clear statment .. so he is saying if the fighter delivered himself is ok and if not HA will do nothing and injust will prevail in this case.

Regarding this accident of Hanna, the fighter from HA delivered himself to HA and then to LA .. and i am quite convinced that not all HA fighters has this courage !

Salam

[lebnan_lilkel]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Again and this is not the first time .. A typical Dahyeh mentality !

What you wrote above has nothing to do with politics .. Write politics only once in your life and argue , debate and disagree or agree ..

Salam

This raicsm that oozes out of your answer has nothing to do with the topic. Discussing issues in a simplistic way is frustrating abou Sandal. This shallowness addresses hatred and not politics.

Salamet

[spiderboy]

To those FPMers as well to GMA who use to say and be convinced that once the demandes of Hezb will be fullfield: Prisoners returning from Israel, returning of Chebaa to Lebanon... The weapons of Hezb will have no excuse to stay and Hezb from his own initiative will give his weapons to the Army.
We heard this so many times during the past 2 years from GMA in many of his media conferences as well as we read it a lot here in the forum.

Well yesterday you got your answer, and i know now that you will start to find new excuses to justify what Hassan declared last night, as if you have been appointed as the " porte-parole" of the Hezb.

2nd point, Hassan talked a lot about the accident that cost the life of the Cap Hanna becoz of one hezb guy, but he FORGOT to explain to us why did his men beaten up the co-pilote and interogated him... Oh sorry, maybe Hezb think that this is normal for him to do such a thing and that he has the right to do it becoz hezb has been used to such practices example: with FSI in Dahyeh and civilians in Sannine, and the French MP and... and... and...

Well good luck FPM with your plan in having only the army as a legal and exclusive party to have weapons to defend Lebanon.

By the way, the war you did against the FL milicia back in 1990, was not to bring the autority and weapon control under the government and army control alone?????