Saudi Taif worries, Joumblat and Christian loyalist jerks

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by ya 3ali

That's the other side of the story , reforms are going to be applied :
1- new electoral law in 2013 based on percentage like this no one will complaint about not being fairly represented
2- create a senator council for religions
3- the councils are going to be canceled , and a ministry will take over
4- Junblat delivered his heavy arms in 8 may , and the army took over from psp like "talit tlet tmenet" , don't worry about this matter , after 8 may he learned a lesson
4- does not allow ? how he can do that ? and when the mhajarin will take responsibility and return to their land ? They need to take action and remember their country !!

I AGREE WITH THIS POINT

they should force his hands, let them go and live in their villages
even in a tent
let this filthy genocider dare say anything or cat against them.

the time has past for waiting and whainling about split milk, we should go and grab our land , houses, backkkkkkkkk

SADLY, NO SUCH THING WILL HAPPEN..........

i respect the shias on this matter , they went back to their lands and lived in tents and squallor, but nevertheless went back.

our priests are not even willing to hold a mass in any village, unless the church is renuilt to their likings.
go move your asssessssss and do it in open air and let the people start getting used to the idea of trickling back.

[ya 3ali]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

I AGREE WITH THIS POINT

they should force his hands, let them go and live in their villages
even in a tent
let this filthy genocider dare say anything or cat against them.

the time has past for waiting and whainling about split milk, we should go and grab our land , houses, backkkkkkkkk

SADLY, NO SUCH THING WILL HAPPEN..........

i respect the shias on this matter , they went back to their lands and lived in tents and squallor, but nevertheless went back.

our priests are not even willing to hold a mass in any village, unless the church is renuilt to their likings.
go move your asssessssss and do it in open air and let the people start getting used to the idea of trickling back.

Exactly , everyone must take his right even if his life depends on it.
Isreal was hoping to kick us from the south and terrorize the inhabitants , even threatened them if they returned , but when the shiites heard the voice to return to their villages they responded immediately, if you remember berri on the same day the ceasefire was being discussed in the united nations , he ordered the southerners to return AND they did and hundred of thousands replied !!! It was all what my familly needed to hear and we came back from syria the next day.

No uranium bombs , or mines or clusters bombs stopped us from claiming our villages , you must do the same , Christian leaders and a church together to call all mhajarin to come back and claim back their homes and villages and the mhajarrin need to have the will to do it !!

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by chafic

We'll see soon regarding SSNP, same for Amal. At least your part of the same political gathering; The political principles would join what parliamentary seats might have separated. Don't you worry about that.

They are an opposition to a ruling power, they have a common objective.
it's just the same with loyalists and Israel vs HA's weapons. So now 14 febers are allied with Israel? Either apply the same logic both ways, or don't resort to it to begin with.

He's to be judged on the negative he did; That's it.

He's to be judged on what he did, whether negative or positive. Period.

Oh I see, and the Syrian pockets being fulled had no consequences on the policies. That is just a tiny details. And you can simply assume that his economical policies were a failure regardless of the context.

I did not say it's just a tiny detail. This however does not negate the fact that Hariri was given full control over the economy file during the syrian tutelage era. So any consequence of the economical policies lies entirely on his shoulders.

So much not, but hey, how could anyone contest such fanciful sayings.

Yeah, kicking ppl out of their homes and threatening them is so much not a militia behavior. My bad.

I really am not interested in changing the way you view things, so let's just say FM has to manage to build an organized and capable militia.

FM, Amal, PSP, HA, LF, Kataeb are all militias. They just differ with the training, and types of weapons they possess. This difference only makes one strong and the other weak, but this doesn't mean they both are not militias.

What you call dialogue is actually blackmail by Hezbollah, and playing the role of a stooge feeding on the remains of the big guy's meal from the other side. It's the same dialogue others used to have with Syrians while serving as their puppets. And please keep in mind, that Hezbollah and ilks are directly and indirectly responsible for economy failures, thefts, services and rights deterioration...

Offer a practical solution to HA's arms. I'm waiting.
As for the last comment, HA were not that much concerned in the internal policies during the past 15 years. Their task was to fight Israel. They heavily involved themselves in internal Lebanese politics after the internal arena no longer remained secured.
On the other hand, Amal, PSP, FM are responsible of the thefts, rights deterioration.

You're offering the solution Assaad Hardan (for example) used to offer during the Syrian occupation if you get my point. In other words, what FPM is doing is integral part of the problem and an aggravation of it, so you still have to move from the problem category to the solution category.

Nice comparison.

Sorry vego, but you went round and round to basically say nothing. Regardless of what symptom you assume Hezbollah's weapons to be (although it's certainly not a symptom but a disease), you're actually working on making it worse; Sort of prescribing for the patient some Zain al Atat weight loss pills.

I'm afraid you understood nothing from the analogy. Reread it again, maybe it will come to u this time around.
And I reiterate that HA's weapons are a symptom, and not a disease. Deal with the cause and the symptoms will disappear.

Oh, it's sad how you constantly have to limit yourself to this small frame of loyalists vs FPM. By alternative I meant alternative political ideas or principles.

principles of the type "let them all rearm"? Thanks, but no thanks.

The idea is laughable. I have no more to say.

Sure thing. Confrontation all the way. History has already proved it totally works.

Not necessarily. Under proper circumstances, I think it would be possible to disarm Hezbollah by force. Not the best solution? Certainly, and probably too costly. But one of the few available. But as Jefferson said, timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

bring on good 'ol civil war. Oh do I adore such solutions.

I totally disagree, that is probably the most pragmatic and just solution. Of course, it will undermine the power of a unitary state in its current form, toward more power to smaller states, as the one Hezbollah has already established, but it will at least re-establish some sort of justice. In other words, instead of having one mini state, imposing its will on a weak central government, we will have multiple military capable mini-states sharing power in a central government. Of course that should ideally evolve toward a unification of these mini-states, but until that happens, this approach of hybrid political system seems the only just one.

It's called betraying your principles and pis*ing on the State. And then hypocrisy kicks in with the claim that principles dictate one stands against illegal weapons, and that HA is undermining the sovereignty of the State.

Hezbollah is the most powerful militia in Lebanon, so it can very much be behind any of the assassinations; That doesn't mean they couldn't have been carried by others. But your attitude is like one telling the other: We have to deal with this major gang in the city because the crime level is alarming; The second replies: There are other gangs, why should we deal with this one.

Assassinations in Lebanon are easy to execute, and it doesn't need the capabilities of HA to do so.
Every intelligence agency around the world can commit such deeds and get away clean.
So anyone can be behind the assassinations, even the ones closest to the victims.

Regardless of the above commercialized mumbo jumbo, Hezbollah is not an agreed national institution, but a militia, so weakening it (as a military organization) is anything but a treasonous act; It's rather a duty.

Helping Israel in assassinating HA leaders is a treasonous act, no matter how much u try to blemish it.

I'm impressed by how some Aounists use some febers to justify themselves. Let Nasser Kandil be behind the decisions, they would still be right. Aren't you really bored of this low political quibbling?

Well, the only one I see here with low balling is the one mentioning Assad Hardan and Nasser Kandil.

If I'm evading repetition, let it be.

Whatever makes u happy.

Do you really expect anyone to buy that? Hezbollah, and subsequently FPM and others, were over the past four years the pillars of the worst possible political behavior: extremism, sectarianism, violence, and propaganda. The febers behavior was pretty bad too, but nothing beats turning the whole idea of a state, of a social contract upside down. Hezbollah and its friends are not only bad players, they are actually violating the rules of the game.

And u expect others to buy this as well?
Now let's focus on the useful: services, laws, performance in governance, etc... ya3ne these few meaningless issues.
Who's the side that has the best track record in them? But who cares about that, right? Let us eat bread and water and be treated like mules, the main thing is to stand against HA.

Youchka style . Entertaining.

We're here to amuse u dear Chafic.

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by chafic

Tai,

I find your version of history so amusing, mostly when Hariris become Saudi's lackey, While Hezbollah a resistance (while it was another lackey par excellence), and other heroes like Berri, Franjieh, SSNP and ilks disappear of the picture. Maybe I got you wrong, and you were trying to only mention big players, but I'm afraid this Jean Azizian approach to things might really convince some enthusiastic Aounist who so eagerly wants to believe that Hariri was Syria's only or main guy in Lebanon; And that....is not true.

Hi chafic, long time no read.

More amusing than my version of history is watching your mass mobilization of logic defense forces and declaring State of Emergency, only because, in a parenthesis inside the context of Taif, I mentioned Hariri as lackey and never had him in mind as THE issue in this part of discussion . I am not sure if you are disturbed by the fact that I mention ONLY him as lackey, and omit others, in that case I offer my deepest regrets for not wanting to equate the Boss to second grade employees.. Or because you only want to deny me the pleasure to attribute "lackey" someone you consider as "NOT lackey" at all, in which case I wonder: What taverna have you just returned to us from? A pleasure to have you back anyway.

By the way, Hizbullah was never part of any major political decision making organ anywhere anytime during the syrians reign. They were busy elsewhere, but still, this is few miles outside the scope of this specific topic.

Saudis or Americans never really sought to topple Assad's government; They knew well they couldn't afford it. They wanted at best some concessions from the Syrian side.

Enno you think all the push against Bachar's regime, from 2005 up till yesterday, was a shy attempt to tickle him a little in order for them to get some concessions on.. well, what did you have in mind? Iraq? Shou khassa KSA bi Iraqi concessions.. Or was it on the Iranian nuclear project? But then what can Bachar do about that?.. I read it differently. Even though the americans and the saudis aimed at the same bird in the tree, I believe they had two different guns and had two different objectives in mind. The Saudis held an air gun to shoot only that bird with while the Americans were prepared with Napalm, and would have loved to fry the bird, the tree and all the surrounding fields, if they were lucky and their expected civil war bets had won.

My friend, Lebanon was leased back to Syria and Iran in Doha 2008;

If you call "leasing back to Syria and Iran" the snatching back of the christians electoral rights and the re-dwarfing of the Hariris ego to normal size, then be it.. More of this and I'm willing to meet you, not only half-way but the whole highway, and call it complete Syrian-Iranian outsourcing, for what it's worth.

Since then, Jumblat was trying to find a place in the new game; Nobody knows, he might have to lie to them (and vice versa) for another 30 years.

euh, are you aware you are talking about the self appointed sa3louk who is leading Thawrat al Sharatit, once known as Cedar Revolution (before FPM had left the caravan of its lemmings)? This guy has been kicking around his christian underdogs day and night, non-stop, sometimes by re-licking up to the Syrians through the usual seducing melody of "3alaqat moumayyaza", other times by smacking right out insults and daggers up their faces and into their backs.. Didn't you hear him lately remind each and ever one of them of his heroic contribution to their humiliating defeats regarding the nullification of the 17'th of may agreement, or when his sodomized ego revokes missed memories of his bravados within the 7araka wataniya during civil war and last but not least by publicly wetting the floor with their electoral naggings..

Regarding whom you call "Christian valentinos" what choices do they have? A hotel with some political pimps (and sharatit) in the inside (feb 14), and a bordello (mar 8). At least, to be in the first you can "not work in" prostitution, and it's a more open space for less putrid political opinions; In the second, much less likely.

The only difference between "shartouting" inside the luxury of a 5 stars hotel and on the street is actually the gourmet food, the clouds of perfumes and clean bed sheets surrounding, or lack thereof. And of course the fact that those who are enrolled inside the former habitat usually "enjoy" more the combination of their "working" pleasure with their "working" business.

"Symbolic guarantee for the continuation of Taef"..now that's quite far fetched. Saad Hariri, in the past months, claimed he wouldn't join a march 8 lead government, but then it was considered as a bad gesture by Syria's and Iran's lackeys in Lebanon, and he changed his mind?

Finally, in three lines you addressed the topic. If it was up to the kid to do the THINKING, you'd have seen him floating on a Red-Sea mattress with a dry Martini and flanked by a couple of Saudi Gholams giving him massage..

Your trust in Sa3douddine's ability to project credibility of possessing own political will and decision making evokes in my mind the funny incident when he sat in the parliament and was quick to vote for one of our proposals when someone had to quickly slap him on his neck in order for him to wake up and retract his vote. If you don't trust my judgment on this one, try him.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by taifoon

Hi chafic, long time no read.

More amusing than my version of history is watching your mass mobilization of logic defense forces and declaring State of Emergency, only because, in a parenthesis inside the context of Taif, I mentioned Hariri as lackey and never had him in mind as THE issue in this part of discussion . I am not sure if you are disturbed by the fact that I mention ONLY him as lackey, and omit others, in that case I offer my deepest regrets for not wanting to equate the Boss to second grade employees.. Or because you only want to deny me the pleasure to attribute "lackey" someone you consider as "NOT lackey" at all, in which case I wonder: What taverna have you just returned to us from? A pleasure to have you back anyway.

Thank you. Now the good part about the above is the taverna- or I think you mean tavern- story...The best part though is you saying that I considered Hariri as "NOT lackey". Sooooo, any taverns you recommend buddy?

Originally Posted by taifoon

By the way, Hizbullah was never part of any major political decision making organ anywhere anytime during the syrians reign. They were busy elsewhere, but still, this is few miles outside the scope of this specific topic.

Again tai, for decision making, refer to Syria. Hezbollah like others was a prime beneficiary of the occupation.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Enno you think all the push against Bachar's regime, from 2005 up till yesterday, was a shy attempt to tickle him a little in order for them to get some concessions on.. well, what did you have in mind? Iraq? Shou khassa KSA bi Iraqi concessions.. Or was it on the Iranian nuclear project? But then what can Bachar do about that?.. I read it differently. Even though the americans and the saudis aimed at the same bird in the tree, I believe they had two different guns and had two different objectives in mind. The Saudis held an air gun to shoot only that bird with while the Americans were prepared with Napalm, and would have loved to fry the bird, the tree and all the surrounding fields, if they were lucky and their expected civil war bets had won.

You know, I seldom watch regional geopolitical analysts and experts. Beside being boring, their job is pretty easy, especially with a not so picky audience. In other words, linking events and rumors can be so versatile that everyone can mold a theory that tickles well one's wishful thinking. Not that it's all rubbish, but it needs quite some factual data, and complexity deciphering to build any solid theory. As long as we're not doing that, I prefer not indulging in such discussions.

Originally Posted by taifoon

If you call "leasing back to Syria and Iran" the snatching back of the Christians electoral rights and the re-dwarfing of the Hariris ego to normal size, then be it.. More of this and I'm willing to meet you, not only half-way but the whole highway, and call it complete Syrian-Iranian outsourcing, for what it's worth.

Why are you so consumed in the vicious circle of Christian this and Christian that. Quite an Aounist tendency lately. Excuse me tai, but I don't view things from Christian/non Christian angle, but rather from a right\not right angle, and the criteria are freedom, justice, equity, etc...; What Doha did is shifting power back to militias and extremist organizations, weakening the state, and establishing a rule of mob. Whatever electoral reforms you are talking about, and I see very few if at all, they should and could have been implemented through the parliament. But they were never the purpose of that second disaster, after Taef, called Doha.

Originally Posted by taifoon

euh, are you aware you are talking about the self appointed sa3louk who is leading Thawrat al Sharatit, once known as Cedar Revolution (before FPM had left the caravan of its lemmings)? This guy has been kicking around his christian underdogs day and night, non-stop, sometimes by re-licking up to the Syrians through the usual seducing melody of "3alaqat moumayyaza", other times by smacking right out insults and daggers up their faces and into their backs.. Didn't you hear him lately remind each and ever one of them of his heroic contribution to their humiliating defeats regarding the nullification of the 17'th of may agreement, or when his sodomized ego revokes missed memories of his bravados within the 7araka wataniya during civil war and last but not least by publicly wetting the floor with their electoral naggings..

So, who's licking up to the Syrians better, him or Aoun? Oh, there's the moumayyaza and moumtaza story. My apologies, I have to appreciate better urban legends.

Originally Posted by taifoon

The only difference between "shartouting" inside the luxury of a 5 stars hotel and on the street is actually the gourmet food, the clouds of perfumes and clean bed sheets surrounding, or lack thereof. And of course the fact that those who are enrolled inside the former habitat usually "enjoy" more the combination of their "working" pleasure with their "working" business.

What I'm trying to say is that there's "shartouting" everywhere in town. No moral high grounds.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Finally, in three lines you addressed the topic.

Actually just too many assumptions were made to prove a point, and mind you, they weren't accurate at all.

Originally Posted by taifoon

If it was up to the kid to do the THINKING, you'd have seen him floating on a Red-Sea mattress with a dry Martini and flanked by a couple of Saudi Gholams giving him massage..

I must admit that the last part was quite "pervert". Regardless, Hariri while not being the most competent politician, he is much less detrimental than Nasrallah, Aoun (post 2007 version), Franjieh and ilks.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Your trust in Sa3douddine's ability to project credibility of possessing own political will and decision making evokes in my mind the funny incident when he sat in the parliament and was quick to vote for one of our proposals when someone had to quickly slap him on his neck in order for him to wake up and retract his vote. If you don't trust my judgment on this one, try him.

Come on, why would I or anyone prefer a "not own" political will and decision make to WORSE "own" political will and decision making.

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by chafic

Thank you. Now the good part about the above is the taverna- or I think you mean tavern- story...

In the words of Linda A. Copp:

They asked me why I came
to their tavern,
and their chair,
And I told them I was empty
and needed comfort there.
Then they asked me why I questioned them,
refused to drink their ales.
And I told them I was looking for themselves,
not fairy tales.
Then they asked me why I bothered them,
a stranger in their midst,
And I begged them not to listen to
the mugs held in their fists.

But, they raised their glasses higher,
and drank the drunkard's brew,
'til they'd drowned their hurts and loneliness,
just as I had wanted too!
And I could see,
their stupors were
more comforting than I.
More trusting, more believable,
than my words which left them dry.
So, they pushed away from me
to liquor's comfort fell,
And I was lost and gaping o'er
both their Heaven,
and their Hell.

The best part though is you saying that I considered Hariri as "NOT lackey". Sooooo, any taverns you recommend buddy?

No, the best part is this: Nearly always in debates between you and me, you manage to reply to a reply but forget that the reply which you replied to was a reply to something you posted yourself. Hear this:

Chafic: I find your version of history so amusing, mostly when Hariris become Saudi's lackey...

taifoon: I am not sure if you are disturbed by the fact that I mention ONLY him as lackey, and omit others, in that case I offer my deepest regrets for not wanting to equate the Boss to second grade employees.. Or because you only want to deny me the pleasure to attribute "lackey" someone you consider as "NOT lackey" at all, in which case I wonder: What taverna have you just returned to us from?

As you notice chafic, I only asked, just to make sure which one your objection pertained to.

Again tai, for decision making, refer to Syria. Hezbollah like others was a prime beneficiary of the occupation.

Not a prime, a secondary maybe. The prime beneficiary was Hariri, Joumblat and their respective small and middle weight sharks.

You know, I seldom watch regional geopolitical analysts and experts. Beside being boring, their job is pretty easy, especially with a not so picky audience. In other words, linking events and rumors can be so versatile that everyone can mold a theory that tickles well one's wishful thinking. Not that it's all rubbish, but it needs quite some factual data, and complexity deciphering to build any solid theory. As long as we're not doing that, I prefer not indulging in such discussions.

wasn't it you who evoked the concessions issue by saying

chafic: Saudis or Americans never really sought to topple Assad's government; They knew well they couldn't afford it. They wanted at best some concessions from the Syrian side.

taifoon just asked: What do you mean buddy?

Why are you so consumed in the vicious circle of Christian this and Christian that. Quite an Aounist tendency lately. Excuse me tai, but I don't view things from Christian/non Christian angle, but rather from a right\not right angle, and the criteria are freedom, justice, equity, etc...;

Are you saying this is not right to say:

chafic, the forumer, went crazy one day when the rear of his new green Jaguar was accidentally hit by taifoon on Te7witet Sinn el fil. chafic took his always ready M16 from under the front seat, and shot taifoon on spot. (the poor guy :(

but this is the more "right" version of the story:

A forumer, went crazy one day when the rear of his new green car was accidentally hit by another forumer on somewhere . The former took his always ready gun from under the front seat, and shot the later on spot. (the poor guy :(

in that case, Ok. (righteous forumer )

What Doha did is shifting power back to militias and extremist organizations, weakening the state, and establishing a rule of mob. Whatever electoral reforms you are talking about, and I see very few if at all, they should and could have been implemented through the parliament. But they were never the purpose of that second disaster, after Taef, called Doha.

hehehe.. You must be a lucky man you didn't live at Marie Antoinette and king Louis XVI times, asking Robespierre to lay off his thuggish lunacy in his silly attempts to "weaken the state".

So, who's licking up to the Syrians better, him or Aoun? Oh, there's the moumayyaza and moumtaza story. My apologies, I have to appreciate better urban legends.

Really chaf? The difference between having good relations and special relations with the Syrians can be thought of as the difference between becoming a friend to someone with whom you exchange mutual respect after settling past issues with that someone, or being someone's right out wh0re.. This difference could be clearly noticed through Aoun's respectful reception in Syria, in contrast to the sharsha7a wel bahdale wel khabit Hariri had to bear with under so many years, only for the sake to keep having the syrians blessing and permission to parasite on his own people.

What I'm trying to say is that there's "shartouting" everywhere in town. No moral high grounds.

Sure, but at some quarters there's slightly more shartouting than at others.

I must admit that the last part was quite "pervert". Regardless, Hariri while not being the most competent politician, he is much less detrimental than Nasrallah, Aoun (post 2007 version), Franjieh and ilks.

Perverted realities they are, and they go without saying.. No wonder we still stand where we stand today, 20 years and many tragedies later after Dracula was set free to wreck havoc us from the inside out.. Doesn't look any better when we have someone like you chafic with stamina of conscience enough to rise it in defense of the master thief Hariri and his disgusting spawns; what's even more disturbing is knowing that this is all done as part of a twisted contest on sadomasochism: Who is less or who is more of a pain..

Come on, why would I or anyone prefer a "not own" political will and decision make to WORSE "own" political will and decision making.

Simply because nothing can be WORSE than being someone in someone else's collar.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by taifoon

I am not sure if you are disturbed...

Now you're calling me disturbed too. Just a taste of your own way of medicine. Come on tai, just admit you were drifting the subject and move on.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Not a prime, a secondary maybe. The prime beneficiary was Hariri, Joumblat and their respective small and middle weight sharks.

Not at all. While the latter benefited to ascend politically, Hezbollah did the same to ascend politically but also militarily; In other words, they prepared well to grab power by force, one the occupation ends.

Originally Posted by taifoon

wasn't it you who evoked the concessions issue by saying

chafic: Saudis or Americans never really sought to topple Assad's government; They knew well they couldn't afford it. They wanted at best some concessions from the Syrian side.

taifoon just asked: What do you mean buddy?

Sure, but that was only a brief reply to a post.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Are you saying this is not right to say:

chafic, the forumer, went crazy one day when the rear of his new green Jaguar was accidentally hit by taifoon on Te7witet Sinn el fil. chafic took his always ready M16 from under the front seat, and shot taifoon on spot. (the poor guy :(

but this is the more "right" version of the story:

A forumer, went crazy one day when the rear of his new green car was accidentally hit by another forumer on somewhere . The former took his always ready gun from under the front seat, and shot the later on spot. (the poor guy :(

in that case, Ok. (righteous forumer )

No, you got it all messed up, and I blame it as usual on listening to Jean Aziz for too long.
This is the point:

chafic, the forumer, went crazy one day when the rear of his new green Jaguar was accidentally hit by taifoon on Te7witet Sinn el fil. chafic took his always ready M16 from under the front seat, and shot taifoon on spot. (the poor guy :(

Then someone goes like: Chafic had the right (or is justified) to shoot taifoon because, um, he is Chafic, and I'm a Chafician.And honestly, that doesn't make any sense. It's not about calling things by their name, but about judging things by their name.

Originally Posted by taifoon

hehehe.. You must be a lucky man you didn't live at Marie Antoinette and king Louis XVI times, asking Robespierre to lay off his thuggish lunacy in his silly attempts to "weaken the state".

The only difference is that Robespierre belonged to a current of enlightenment, your buddies to a current of the dark ages. It's the irony og history when Robespierre becomes equivalent to Taliban and Mujahideen of Afghanistan, Qaeda of Iraq or to Hezbollah of Lebanon.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Really chaf? The difference between having good relations and special relations with the Syrians can be thought of as the difference between becoming a friend to someone with whom you exchange mutual respect after settling past issues with that someone, or being someone's right out wh0re.. This difference could be clearly noticed through Aoun's respectful reception in Syria, in contrast to the sharsha7a wel bahdale wel khabit Hariri had to bear with under so many years, only for the sake to keep having the syrians blessing and permission to parasite on his own people.

Again tai, I like urban legends. But I'm sure you're smarter than confusing respect with pumping someone's ego to use him as a tool.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Sure, but at some quarters there's slightly more shartouting than at others.

Of course, and some more than slightly.

Originally Posted by taifoon

Perverted realities they are, and they go without saying.. No wonder we still stand where we stand today, 20 years and many tragedies later after Dracula was set free to wreck havoc us from the inside out.. Doesn't look any better when we have someone like you chafic with stamina of conscience enough to rise it in defense of the master thief Hariri and his disgusting spawns; what's even more disturbing is knowing that this is all done as part of a twisted contest on sadomasochism: Who is less or who is more of a pain..

The most disturbing part is you and many others being caught in a tiny vicious circle, and refusing to look outside because you're somehow aware that the scene is much more ugly. In your circle you view Hariri, corruption, Jumblat, betrayal, and Geagea, stealing a "rabtet khebez"; And mind you, you keep digging irrelevant events from the past to keep that circle firm and tight. You're somehow aware though, that outside your circle, there is extremism, fanaticism, violence, war, despotism, injustice, oppression of freedoms, superstitions, rule of ignorance, intolerance, a whole new social order taking us back to middle ages...That's why you so dearly refuse to look outside the circle.