Saudi and Syrian deal

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by Anny

But I am not following you on the issue of Lebanese Shiaas? What will give them the garanti that the sunnies wont attack them like in Irak if they become a majority in Lebanon?

Good point! HA supported Syria when Syria opposed dividing Lebanon. However, HA, just like the educated Christians will turn against Syria as well if Syria adopted the US/Israeli/Saudi plan turning Lebanon into Saudi Arabia’s Monaco of the Middle East after the Palestinian naturalization which will increase the Lebanese Sunni population by 30% and make them the uncontested supreme majority.
(Just like during the old days when the IRA accepted arms from the PLO without becoming a puppet of the PLO), HA is not a puppet of Iran or Syria. HA has its own cause of protecting the Lebanese Shia community from being marginalized or deported to Iraq. They’ll accept help from anyone as long as they are not asked to defeat the purpose of such help. Unfortunately, not all Christians are that smart. They seem to be the only ones not seeing the threat against them. On the other hand, I hate to say it, although I don’t support it: I understand why the majority of the Sunnis support the Saudi plan through supporting the FM. They have nothing to lose either way.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Good point! HA supported Syria when Syria opposed dividing Lebanon. However, HA, just like the educated Christians will turn against Syria as well if Syria adopted the US/Israeli/Saudi plan turning Lebanon into Saudi Arabia’s Monaco of the Middle East after the Palestinian naturalization which will increase the Lebanese Sunni population by 30% and make them the uncontested supreme majority.
(Just like during the old days when the IRA accepted arms from the PLO without becoming a puppet of the PLO), HA is not a puppet of Iran or Syria. HA has its own cause of protecting the Lebanese Shia community from being marginalized or deported to Iraq. They’ll accept help from anyone as long as they are not asked to defeat the purpose of such help. Unfortunately, not all Christians are that smart. They seem to be the only ones not seeing the treat against them. On the other hand, I hate to say it, although I don’t support it: I understand why the majority of the Sunnis support the Saudi plan through supporting the FM. They have noting to lose either way.

100% right

we can see things right because we have no political attachement to anyone outside and we move selon our own beliefs and free will , while other are completely blinded by either their thirst for power , their hate for GMA and FPM , their stupid attachements to dirty foreign plots and are helping them fullfilling it .
what the smart kataeb /LF followers and all the other small christian partis failed to see and analyse is that the plan started to take shape in mostly and exclusively in CHRISTIAN areas, ONLY in these areas we saw how much sunni voters were transfered like beirut (4000 sunni from saida ) in Zahleh (12 000 sunni ) and the liste goes on .
by doing so the christian vote will decrease until becoming inexistent or inefficient .

a member in the forum a haririst said it very clearely in one of his posts unfortunatly i am not able to find it he said : "lyom Zahleh elna (by elna he meant lal hariri the sunna vote in zahle was the decisive one ) in 2013 el matn elna" for the illuminated christians in the 14 marsiens i hope they can understand the message and stop being happy of their shamefull hazil win ! do they care ? NO do they know where this will lead ? NO they are following the propaganda as long as this can give them 4 -5 shamefull seats .

do they think tawtin will be so pleasant ? oh no will they be able to refuse it ? LOL... i want to see how and they are just a minority inside a proud majority !
it will be on the account of the christian areas (they will be naturalised and spread in these areas to always be able to have the upper decision). i want to see the faces of those LFers and kataeb then !
their ancestors made mistakes hudge mistakes we the people payed the price WE lost 200 000 martyres + thousands of displaced + emigration because of these mistakes and today they joined the herd steping on our martyres and our rights .

it is sad realy sad to have to name things by sects but this is how things are in Lebanon we tried to overcome this and move it to another level but unfortunatly the country today is divided this way and is going toward more .

[Anny]

Originally Posted by coralie

100% right

we can see things right because we have no political attachement to anyone outside and we move selon our own beliefs and free will , while other are completely blinded by either their thirst for power , their hate for GMA and FPM , their stupid attachements to dirty foreign plots and are helping them fullfilling it .
what the smart kataeb /LF followers and all the other small christian partis failed to see and analyse is that the plan started to take shape in mostly and exclusively in CHRISTIAN areas, ONLY in these areas we saw how much sunni voters were transfered like beirut (4000 sunni from saida ) in Zahleh (12 000 sunni ) and the liste goes on .
by doing so the christian vote will decrease until becoming inexistent or inefficient .

a member in the forum a haririst said it very clearely in one of his posts unfortunatly i am not able to find it he said : "lyom Zahleh elna (by elna he meant lal hariri the sunna vote in zahle was the decisive one ) in 2013 el matn elna" for the illuminated christians in the 14 marsiens i hope they can understand the message and stop being happy of their shamefull hazil win ! do they care ? NO do they know where this will lead ? NO they are following the propaganda as long as this can give them 4 -5 shamefull seats .

do they think tawtin will be so pleasant ? oh no will they be able to refuse it ? LOL... i want to see how and they are just a minority inside a proud majority !
it will be on the account of the christian areas (they will be naturalised and spread in these areas to always be able to have the upper decision). i want to see the faces of those LFers and kataeb then !
their ancestors made mistakes hudge mistakes we the people payed the price WE lost 200 000 martyres + thousands of displaced + emigration because of these mistakes and today they joined the herd steping on our martyres and our rights .

it is sad realy sad to have to name things by sects but this is how things are in Lebanon we tried to overcome this and move it to another level but unfortunatly the country today is divided this way and is going toward more .

I 100% AGREE, like in Saghbin where I am from and I am not afraid to say that on a site coz I am gonna fight this ******* ******* robert ghanem, he has made a law in Saghbine that if you have a territory, you can not build more than 5% on it. So lets imagine someone who wants to buy a 1000 square feet from saghbine, you can not built more than 50 square feet house, it doesnt really worth it. Plus, He made enter many sunnies voters into the list of Saghbine wish is a 100% christians since those 4-5 years along with the past municipal leader who was there. This year, the municipality was trying to remove those names from Saghbine list. If you look on the eastern bekaa where the sunnies dominate, you can find the law is still like before and the people can built a house for 40% on their teritory. Robert Ghanem and March 14 leaders are screwing the christians in their own cazas and towns for Saudis money. Robert Ghanem lied to the people and said that this law was introduced just because of tourrist issues not more, but that is pure ********.

I thaught people should open a bit their eyes re-electing those same b asta rds.

Well in Saghbine, only 27 families reelected Robert Ghanem from 80% for the opposition if not more...

[Resistancefrom89]

Originally Posted by Venom

if there is a deal between Syria and Saudi , it won't be 3ala 7seb el FPM

it will be 3ala 7seb who missed the train ;)

Venom, what makes say so? Is it the good reputation that both Saudi and Syria have? or is it because Politics in the Middle East (and actually around the globe) is about ethics and high values?

It could very well be that one of the goal of GMA's visit to Syria was to neutralise them and "yatiki sharahom", but how the Syrian would act at the end will only depend of where they see that their interest is...

so the question remain what are the Syrian suppose to pay to Saudis and what will they get in return?

[Zayn]

Naturalization of Palestinians and a unified Lebanon will not work.

[Learned]

Originally Posted by Zayn

Naturalization of Palestinians and a unified Lebanon will not work.

True. Personally, I'm hoping that Hariri makes the fatal blunder of trying to naturalize the Palestinians. The project itself will not only be forcefully crushed, but his government will be toppled, and the political backlash against him will marginalize his party in the next election system. It would be a massive mistake on his part to push for naturalization - because no one except for the Sunnis and his American/Sauid patrons wants this, and it will push the Christians and even Druze in Lebanon to back Hezbollah against him - because the only real mechanism on the ground that is capable of circumventing such a project before it even begins is Hezbollah - and Hezbollah will use it to label him as an Israeli collaborator.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by coralie

100% right

we can see things right because we have no political attachement to anyone outside and we move selon our own beliefs and free will , while other are completely blinded by either their thirst for power , their hate for GMA and FPM , their stupid attachements to dirty foreign plots and are helping them fullfilling it .
what the smart kataeb /LF followers and all the other small christian partis failed to see and analyse is that the plan started to take shape in mostly and exclusively in CHRISTIAN areas, ONLY in these areas we saw how much sunni voters were transfered like beirut (4000 sunni from saida ) in Zahleh (12 000 sunni ) and the liste goes on .
by doing so the christian vote will decrease until becoming inexistent or inefficient .

a member in the forum a haririst said it very clearely in one of his posts unfortunatly i am not able to find it he said : "lyom Zahleh elna (by elna he meant lal hariri the sunna vote in zahle was the decisive one ) in 2013 el matn elna" for the illuminated christians in the 14 marsiens i hope they can understand the message and stop being happy of their shamefull hazil win ! do they care ? NO do they know where this will lead ? NO they are following the propaganda as long as this can give them 4 -5 shamefull seats .

do they think tawtin will be so pleasant ? oh no will they be able to refuse it ? LOL... i want to see how and they are just a minority inside a proud majority !
it will be on the account of the christian areas (they will be naturalised and spread in these areas to always be able to have the upper decision). i want to see the faces of those LFers and kataeb then !
their ancestors made mistakes hudge mistakes we the people payed the price WE lost 200 000 martyres + thousands of displaced + emigration because of these mistakes and today they joined the herd steping on our martyres and our rights .

it is sad realy sad to have to name things by sects but this is how things are in Lebanon we tried to overcome this and move it to another level but unfortunatly the country today is divided this way and is going toward more .

In brief:
14 Adar Christians WON the LOSING Ticket.

[Tayyar Keserwen]

FPM should start campaigning among Palestinians soon to gain their votes for 2013...

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

FPM should start campaigning among Palestinians soon to gain their votes for 2013...

You can also try to nationalize some Copts.

[Anny]

I also think we should make some MOu with other christians parties in the majority to unite that devided sect and our MOU will be on the basic that we are against the neutralisation of the Palestinians, we should mediatize that we want to make MOU with other christians parties and if they decide to refuse publically, that shows the world that they are with the neutralisation and we will win more christians vote in 2013.