Saudi and Syrian deal

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

13 October is different story Aoun back then was playing against the rules of the game today he is playing by the rules of this game

it seems they agreed to keep everything the same and balanced...

keep aoun strong and hariri with his majority balancing everything
as it was before 7 june 2009 but it does not mean they agreed on everything!!
in time they will go back to the same issues

they agreed on just few things and it is tejmid el balad another 4 years!

dude, this is ridiculous.... do you think they wanted him to have 27 seats?
besides that, he is not strong at all. with 27 MPs he can make zajal all
day long, that's all.there are 37 christian MPs in Hariri's block....imagine
what happens to Aoun when they form their own block....i know it's difficult but
they will reach a solution about it soon.

[Resistancefrom89]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

they voted for murr in metn. ( the actual SYRIANS, i was in the roum catholic room during the elections. and i saw many Lebanese-SYRIANS who came that morning from SYRIA by murrs men and voted for MURR.

so could it be that one of the element of the Syrian-Saudi deal is that the Syrian has to contribute to bring Aoun down?

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

they voted for murr in metn. ( the actual SYRIANS, i was in the roum catholic room during the elections. and i saw many Lebanese-SYRIANS who came that morning from SYRIA by murrs men and voted for MURR.

and i am willing to bet that in Zahle caza, the moujannasin who came from
Syria voted for Hariri's list.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by IA64

then it must be Hariri - Berri - HA and Joumblat.. Happy ending..

Ta7alof roube3e again? I dont know but SHN already said that he wont repeat it.

[Anny]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Ta7alof roube3e again? I dont know but SHN already said that he wont repeat it.

I seriously trust HA on this, I dont think they want this to happen more than us specially in the time of the war of 2006 when they knew that some of the FM politicians where working against them during the war and try to kill Hassan Nassralah...

[Sami.NJ]

No ta7lof roba3i. OR KSA and Syria.

One side in Lebonon, money and whatever power they gained aftet Ta'ef, is more important than anything.

The other side, arms are more important than anything else in the country until they get that equel power the other side has.

[Venom]

if there is a deal between Syria and Saudi , it won't be 3ala 7seb el FPM

it will be 3ala 7seb who missed the train ;)

[Anny]

Originally Posted by Venom

if there is a deal between Syria and Saudi , it won't be 3ala 7seb el FPM

it will be 3ala 7seb who missed the train ;)

I agree with that, they cant just eliminate the most popular base of the christians in Lebanon. I think the people who will next suffer the most is Israel specially if we as opposition begin to attack them on the neutralisation of palestinians and slogan that and then Syria and Saudié has to agree on another plan of what they would do with the Palestinians in Lebanon other than neutralising them ;)

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Resistancefrom89

Without wandering on the side of conspiracy theory, just wanted to put down some of the facts that has been happening around us and try to see if we can analyse their impact on our situation in Lebanon:

1) Syrian and Saudi have been publicly indicating before the election that they are starting a new area of cooperation and common policy with main impact on how to approach and influence the lebanese situation:
a) What are the details of this new common and aligned policy?
b) What will Syria have to give to Saudis?
c) What will Syria get from Saudis?
d) What was agreed in this new common and aligned policy regarding the Lebanese Election?

2) It is not a secret that Saudi has been interfering in this election via their money and their alignment with the US on the goals. This did not seem to **** of Syrian. Why? What was Syria doing in the election (passive? active? if active who were they supporting?)

3) Immediately after the election Bashar al-Assad called the Saudi King. What does this public information signal? (the move from Phase 1 to Phase 2?, and if so what was Phase 1, what is Phase 2?)

4) Mitchell (the US envoy) is visiting Syria today

5) Interestint to note (and not necessarily linked to the above), the visit of the Head of the Baath party to Michel el Murr Prior to the election and it was after this meeting that Michel el Murr had his famous declaration that he is going into this election and that this was an election of "ma3raket ahjem"

A lot of questions but important to look at and analyse knowing that Lebanon and Lebanese are influenced (if not managed) by the powers around them

in 1990 syria was the main player with the support of KSA USA and all the international community .
in 2009 syria played it with a low profile it did not have a major role , syria is now looking for its best intrest it does not care for what will happen in the lebanese election knowing that by doing as asked the major players KSA and USA will reward it how and with what i dont know but i know what will be the price Lebanon will have to pay for this dirty game .
TAWTIN is on its way .this is the deal on the account of the Lebanese and above all on the christians account .
the more they say we refuse Tawtin the more in am sure it is geting closer .
they all want to end this long problem the game did not start yesterday it started 45 years ago and it is mestwiyeh enough now to emplement the solution with Hariri KSA man now in power things will go smoothly .

why were they all so agressive in their election campaigns targeting one and only groupe GMA the strongest christian leader ?
why all this money spent by KSA and USA full support to one side against mainly GMA ?
why the change of demography specialy in christian areas ?
selling lands in crazy ways with crazy laws to arabs ?
why only the strongest chriatian leader was so attacked insulted and accused for the past 4 years ? since 1990 the christian community was marginalized like never before and were pushed to leave/emigrate, numbers talk . and today they keep the pressure only on the christian community why ?

Hariri have on his side the smalest inefficient christian forces he will manipulate them as he please like he did when he asked them to sign the holly friday day off they signed metel el chatrin ...
monday 24 houres after the results we heard him say the weapns of HA ARE NOT TO BE TOUCHED .
the message should be clear to all the main target today is the christian community lead by GMA the one and only rebel who will fiercely refuse and make problem for the tawtin !

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by Resistancefrom89

Without wandering on the side of conspiracy theory, just wanted to put down some of the facts that has been happening around us and try to see if we can analyse their impact on our situation in Lebanon:

1) Syrian and Saudi have been publicly indicating before the election that they are starting a new area of cooperation and common policy with main impact on how to approach and influence the lebanese situation:
a) What are the details of this new common and aligned policy?
b) What will Syria have to give to Saudis?
c) What will Syria get from Saudis?
d) What was agreed in this new common and aligned policy regarding the Lebanese Election?

2) It is not a secret that Saudi has been interfering in this election via their money and their alignment with the US on the goals. This did not seem to **** of Syrian. Why? What was Syria doing in the election (passive? active? if active who were they supporting?)

3) Immediately after the election Bashar al-Assad called the Saudi King. What does this public information signal? (the move from Phase 1 to Phase 2?, and if so what was Phase 1, what is Phase 2?)

4) Mitchell (the US envoy) is visiting Syria today

5) Interestint to note (and not necessarily linked to the above), the visit of the Head of the Baath party to Michel el Murr Prior to the election and it was after this meeting that Michel el Murr had his famous declaration that he is going into this election and that this was an election of "ma3raket ahjem"

A lot of questions but important to look at and analyse knowing that Lebanon and Lebanese are influenced (if not managed) by the powers around them

I was not kidding when I started this thread:
http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/march-14ers-careful-whom-you-vote-history-repeats-itself-only-if-you-let-39364/
Syria’s influence is coming back to Lebanon through the Loyalist’s camp and it’s up to the opposition to slow is down.

To March 14ers: Be careful for whom you vote. History repeats itself only if YOU let it.

If you happen to be too young to remember, ask your parents and they’ll tell you: back in the seventies, Syria was invited to Lebanon by Camille Chamoun and Pierre Gemayel with US guaranties that Syria will be on the Christian’s side… We all know the rest of the story.
Syria occupied Lebanon for 29 years with the blessing of the US and Israel while the Lebanese voices were muffled until GMA stood up against them all.
Hariri’s assassination was the result of a new neo conservative agenda for the Middle East called the Road Map and Lebanon’s role in it was to absorb its Palestinian population.
Just like every other Bush venture, the road map failed along with the Iraq War. A strong alliance between Iran and Syria immerged as a consequence for such dismal failures.
Iran was called an axis of evil for a reason that has nothing to do with Lebanon nor its Christians. The new US administration is still staying the course vis-à-vis Iran. It has finally adopted Thomas Friedman concept of isolating Iran from Syria even if that meant for Syria to becoming Lebanon’s broker once again. One advantage for Israel would be for Syria to contain HA away from Iran.
Detaining the 4 Generals following the assassination of Hariri was a brilliant move to divert the attention from the real killers and put the pressure on Syria. But their release just before the June elections and shortly after Hillary Clinton’s visit to Baabda means one thing, and one thing only regardless of Syria’s role in the assassination had there ever been one: It means a clear transformation in the US foreign policy towards Syria’s role in Lebanon.
For those who believe the four Generals had something to do with the assassination, releasing them means the US has accepted Syria’s actions there.
For those who believe the Generals are innocent and their detention was a cover-up to put pressure on Syria, that also means Syria is no longer targeted by the US.
In other words, Lebanon better get ready to go back to its old Master if its people don’t realize the seriousness of their situation soon enough before they cast their votes.
History will not repeat itself if we don’t let it.
Most of the Loyalists camp leaders have been dutifully loyal to their Masters but not to their citizens. They are the same ones that served their Syrian Masters before serving the American one. Remember those are the same leaders that traded the blood and souls of their own relatives and family members by ignoring their killers so they can stay in power. How can they ever justify not finding a shred of evidence against Hariri’s killers after many years of controlling the government with every tool and resource at their disposal, and the “backing” of the world community.
Among many others, Kamal Jumblatt, Bashir Gemayel, Danny Chamoun, Rene Moawad, Pierre Amin Gemael and of course Rafik Hariri are still vivid in our memories- Not theirs!
Needless to say, GMA cared more about the victims than their own families did.
It’s time for us to realize Lebanon’s function in the region is simply a bargaining chip on a hot poker bed. Thanks to the opposition that chip became hotter than the bed itself and those who tried touching it burned their hands. Lebanon’s strategic victories achieved by its resistance made the big players return to their drawing boards. Let’s make sure they understand once and for all they can chew but they can’t swallow us.
Once again, if you don’t want history repeating itself by having Syria controlling your life all over again, don’t elect the same old dynasties that failed you miserably during the past 50 years.
You don’t have to choose between Masters. You can be your own. YES YOU CAN!