Saudi and Syrian deal

[Anny]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Good point! HA supported Syria when Syria opposed dividing Lebanon. However, HA, just like the educated Christians will turn against Syria as well if Syria adopted the US/Israeli/Saudi plan turning Lebanon into Saudi Arabia’s Monaco of the Middle East after the Palestinian naturalization which will increase the Lebanese Sunni population by 30% and make them the uncontested supreme majority.
(Just like during the old days when the IRA accepted arms from the PLO without becoming a puppet of the PLO), HA is not a puppet of Iran or Syria. HA has its own cause of protecting the Lebanese Shia community from being marginalized or deported to Iraq. They’ll accept help from anyone as long as they are not asked to defeat the purpose of such help. Unfortunately, not all Christians are that smart. They seem to be the only ones not seeing the treat against them. On the other hand, I hate to say it, although I don’t support it: I understand why the majority of the Sunnis support the Saudi plan through supporting the FM. They have noting to lose either way.

I know they are gaining alot, so from there, I think HA will always be against the neutralisation of the Palestinians then and from there, the Saudi-Syria deals could be that Syria is leaving behind HA for her own good, then Syria is just another hypocrite country towards shias in Lebanon. But I am seeing something new here and its not against Lebanese shiaas but actually against Palistianians living in Lebanon, do you think that Saudié and Syria are begining to work together against the Palestinians and from there, they will try to create chaos in Palestinians camps to make them kill each other, it worked before between fatah and Hamas, it could also work divinding palestinians in Lebanon , who knows, what is that deal, but I dont think even with all the money they have they wont be able to pass anything that the opposition in Lebanon hasnt agreed on (this is clear HA AND FPM ARE AGAINST the neutralisation of Palestinians), so even if Syria and Saudié are trying, they cant realise it without the 2/3 of the lebanese specially after the MOU. The MOU protected us (christians and shias) from the neutralisation. And Syria and Saudia are maybe trying to break that MOU between us or they know they cant break it so they are dealing with a new reality, changing the plan to ship the palestinians elsewhere or kill them all, who knows!

[IA64]

Originally Posted by Anny

Then you are an FM and only an FM, that has nothing to do with the opposition , the guy is absolutly a loyal to the majority.

Plus what was your decision to vote for him? Can you elaborate why you vote for him?

It seems you did not get me, Doha Agreement was to give 2 seats to the Opposition and 2 seats to the Loyalist in Beirut2 : 2 by Tazkiyeh and 2 by voting for list of Both Mashnouq and Kobeissi. Even Opposition was voting for Mashnouq. HA and Berri clearly said that they will be voting for Mashnouq as Arakji did not accept to get out of the game. Where they trying to backstab FM? Didnt know that.

As for why did I vote? honestly it was the first time I do, a duty maybe.

[Resistancefrom89]

Without wandering on the side of conspiracy theory, just wanted to put down some of the facts that has been happening around us and try to see if we can analyse their impact on our situation in Lebanon:

1) Syrian and Saudi have been publicly indicating before the election that they are starting a new area of cooperation and common policy with main impact on how to approach and influence the lebanese situation:
a) What are the details of this new common and aligned policy?
b) What will Syria have to give to Saudis?
c) What will Syria get from Saudis?
d) What was agreed in this new common and aligned policy regarding the Lebanese Election?

2) It is not a secret that Saudi has been interfering in this election via their money and their alignment with the US on the goals. This did not seem to **** of Syrian. Why? What was Syria doing in the election (passive? active? if active who were they supporting?)

3) Immediately after the election Bashar al-Assad called the Saudi King. What does this public information signal? (the move from Phase 1 to Phase 2?, and if so what was Phase 1, what is Phase 2?)

4) Mitchell (the US envoy) is visiting Syria today

5) Interestint to note (and not necessarily linked to the above), the visit of the Head of the Baath party to Michel el Murr Prior to the election and it was after this meeting that Michel el Murr had his famous declaration that he is going into this election and that this was an election of "ma3raket ahjem"

A lot of questions but important to look at and analyse knowing that Lebanon and Lebanese are influenced (if not managed) by the powers around them

[IA64]

Do you want to know what is going on?

Lebanon is screwed

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by Resistancefrom89

Without wandering on the side of conspiracy theory, just wanted to put down some of the facts that has been happening around us and try to see if we can analyse their impact on our situation in Lebanon:

1) Syrian and Saudi have been publicly indicating before the election that they are starting a new area of cooperation and common policy with main impact on how to approach and influence the lebanese situation:
a) What are the details of this new common and aligned policy?
b) What will Syria have to give to Saudis?
c) What will Syria get from Saudis?
d) What was agreed in this new common and aligned policy regarding the Lebanese Election?

2) It is not a secret that Saudi has been interfering in this election via their money and their alignment with the US on the goals. This did not seem to **** of Syrian. Why? What was Syria doing in the election (passive? active? if active who were they supporting?)

3) Immediately after the election Bashar al-Assad called the Saudi King. What does this public information signal? (the move from Phase 1 to Phase 2?, and if so what was Phase 1, what is Phase 2?)

4) Mitchell (the US envoy) is visiting Syria today

5) Interestint to note (and not necessarily linked to the above), the visit of the Head of the Baath party to Michel el Murr Prior to the election and it was after this meeting that Michel el Murr had his famous declaration that he is going into this election and that this was an election of "ma3raket ahjem"

A lot of questions but important to look at and analyse knowing that Lebanon and Lebanese are influenced (if not managed) by the powers around them

by saying what you just said it means that we still have Lebanese puppets who represent syria in Lebanon could you please name them? because fpmer are denying this fact

as for Saudi Arabia we all know who represent them in Lebanon :)

[Tsunami67]

what about Michel Sleiman the syrian agent during 15 years b4 Syria left lebanon and appointed him president of this shitty republic?
Berri and his deals with walid the slaughter?
Saudi puppets...: Nº 1 Mufti Sfeir
Geagea the criminal,
Amine Gemayel the gigolo
plus the saudi born and Saudis king deputy in Lebanon Saad Hariri...
too bad we were syrian governed mou7afaza, we became a Saudi Governed Principaute...
Tfeh

[Resistancefrom89]

well except a few (there is always excpetions), I thoght and I still think that most Lebanese Politician are puppets and deal with Politics as a "tajer" deal with "Wekalet": they all want to have a "wekalet" from a foreign power to make a living from (a rich living)

But having this set aside, I am interested to know what did Saudi and Syria agree with regard to us

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by Resistancefrom89

well except a few (there is always excpetions), I thoght and I still think that most Lebanese Politician are puppets and deal with Politics as a "tajer" deal with "Wekalet": they all want to have a "wekalet" from a foreign power to make a living from (a rich living)

But having this set aside, I am interested to know what did Saudi and Syria agree with regard to us

well it looks like they agreed on same thing they did publicly in 2005 (7elf roube3i) the only different today they got another 7elf roube3i but under the table and sooner it will show up

[IA64]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

well it looks like they agreed on same thing they did publicly in 2005 (7elf roube3i) the only different today they got another 7elf roube3i but under the table and sooner it will show up

Hariri - Berri/HA - LF/kateyib and Joumblat ?

[Resistancefrom89]

What about Syrian involvment in this election? We all know that Saudi got involved by financing the election of the so called "Mouwalet".

What were the Syrian asked to do? What did they actually do? What will they get in return?