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My simple and short take on Metn elections in 2009:

FPM should have a closed list without Murr nor any kataeb candidate.

Win or lose, at least FPM would have stood firm to its principles and fought to win it all or lose it all.

The goal is to give ppl a new alternative and not just to win seats no matter how.
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A recent speech by Sheikh Samy summarizing pretty much his electoral platform..

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as for my opinion NO and 100 no putting sami jmayil in FPM list!!!! for 2 reasons

1- who is he? min 3ada he's from bet jmayil!! what did he do to deserve a seat or leaving empty seat for him?? if the people in maten wants him very good let them elect him laken!!!

2- the low words that the jmayil family said to GMA and FPM the night pierre jmayil died will be stuck with me forever!! burning GMA pictures ma btemrou2 3laye as an FPMers! they didn't respect us at all!! hearing AG's wife saying bad words to GMA in the hospital is not something easy to forget!!! let the people in maten chose who they want without leaving any empty seat for anyone!! point final!!!!
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My simple and short take on Metn elections in 2009:

FPM should have a closed list without Murr nor any kataeb candidate.

Win or lose, at least FPM would have stood firm to its principles and fought to win it all or lose it all.

The goal is to give ppl a new alternative and not just to win seats no matter how.
I dont agree with you for 2 reasons:

1- Tachnag are with FPM, they will suppot the lista in Metn and both Beirut; they are friends with MM; i politics sometimes you need to compromise, so it better to leave an empty seat for MM.

2- If Sami Gemayel is runnin in Metn, it is highly recommended to leave an empty seat fr him also. For two reasons: 1) GMA and Sami are no enemies, so why do you want to make a proble with sami, especially that from what we see, he is not that close to Hariri and company. 2) If you leave an empty seat for Sami you are encouraging th Feb 14 camp to yeftaho el tochtib 3ala ba3doun.

so in politics m friend, one needs to compromise sometimes, and dont think leavng 2 seats empty is gone hurt FPM anyways
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How did this thread end up as "FPM & Kataeb" allying in the next elections?

Sami Gemayel (no matter what you think about him), had a positive approach toward us after the Maten by-elections (at least toward the forum), in the article posted in Al Akhbar (first post of this thread) it also says that Sami is still positive toward FPM.

So i am giving him a chance to directly talk to us (at least on the Forum), that doesn't mean we have a positive approach toward him or we will ally with him, I just want to hear (read in this case) what he has to say.
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as for my opinion NO and 100 no putting sami jmayil in FPM list!!!! for 2 reasons

1- who is he? min 3ada he's from bet jmayil!! what did he do to deserve a seat or leaving empty seat for him?? if the people in maten wants him very good let them elect him laken!!!

2- the low words that the jmayil family said to GMA and FPM the night pierre jmayil died will be stuck with me forever!! burning GMA pictures ma btemrou2 3laye as an FPMers! they didn't respect us at all!! hearing AG's wife saying bad words to GMA in the hospital is not something easy to forget!!! let the people in maten chose who they want without leaving any empty seat for anyone!! point final!!!!
I know they said very harsh words for no reason, it was wrong to accuse FPM of te killing of Pierre, a big mistake. But as GMA said we are now looking towards the future not the past. So if Sami wants to run in the FPM list (which will not happen but IF) then he would be in total agremement with GMA, because GMA will not put people in his lista who have different political views. Second, as I mentioned in the a previous quote, Sami was alongside you guys druring all the moukawameh against the syrian prsence, so show some respect, yes he did many things then....we might not agree with his stands but just show respect , thanks
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I dont agree with you for 2 reasons:

1- Tachnag are with FPM, they will suppot the lista in Metn and both Beirut; they are friends with MM; i politics sometimes you need to compromise, so it better to leave an empty seat for MM.

2- If Sami Gemayel is runnin in Metn, it is highly recommended to leave an empty seat fr him also. For two reasons: 1) GMA and Sami are no enemies, so why do you want to make a proble with sami, especially that from what we see, he is not that close to Hariri and company. 2) If you leave an empty seat for Sami you are encouraging th Feb 14 camp to yeftaho el tochtib 3ala ba3doun.

so in politics m friend, one needs to compromise sometimes, and dont think leavng 2 seats empty is gone hurt FPM anyways
1- Tashnag said they will vote for MM, but they did not demand FPM to leave him an empty seat. FPM should have a closed seat, and let tashnag issue to their supporter to "yshatbo" one orthodox candidate on FPM's list and putt Murr instead if they want. Besides, since when FPM act based on feelings of other parties? Is this the new mentality in FPM?

2- Sami has proven to be nothing but a spoiled feudal brat. We still didn't forget his thuggish behavior in Ashrafieh when he ordered the famous "houjouuuum". We also saw how quickly he dismantled Loubnanouna to become an official in kataeb. So much for principles!
As well, why should I care if the loyalists yshatbo ba3d if my goal is not simply to win no matter the means?

Close the list and let ppl decide. At least this way, we give the ppl a chance to get rid of a feudal family and a master in clientelism. If the ppl decide otherwise so be it, but at least we would have given them the chance. It will be their own fault if they do not seize it.

PS: we might be off-topic here since the topic isn't exactly FPM vs kataeb, so my contribution about this particular point ends here.
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هؤلاء هم مُرشّحو الكتائب للانتخابات



هؤلاء هم مُرشّ*و الكتائب للانتخابات | جريدة الأخبار

ثائر غندور


وفي بيروت حيث للكتائب مرشّحان هما ألبرت قسطنطين عن المقعد الأرمني، وهو نائب رئيس جبهة الحريّة،
I think Bejin owes us a clarification...

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i gave the reasons in my earlier post. I think Sami is still fresh and can be capitalized on! we need diversity in the Christian community it would be healthy and capitalizing on fresh & clean people (until proven otherwise) is a good thing!
أيمكن لسامي أن يشيل الزير من البير؟ لقد برهن عن مدى ذكائه خلال عودته لحضن الكتائب ورمي لبناننا بعرض الحائط، مع كافة المبادىء! آمل أن لا ينسى البحث عن الحقيقة



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FPM allying with Samy Gemayel is like HA allying with Marwan Hmedeh.Complete nonsense.
العماد عون كحزب الله لدغ في تحالفاته، فقررّ عدم عدوله وعودته للتحالف لا مع ميشال المرّ ولا مع أمين جميل أو الكتائب اللبنانية. هذا من المؤكد



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2- If Sami Gemayel is runnin in Metn, it is highly recommended to leave an empty seat fr him also. For two reasons: 1) GMA and Sami are no enemies, so why do you want to make a proble with sami, especially that from what we see, he is not that close to Hariri and company. 2) If you leave an empty seat for Sami you are encouraging th Feb 14 camp to yeftaho el tochtib 3ala ba3doun.
أظن أن التجربة السابقة كافية لكي يتعلمّ الإنسان من اللدغة، فقد تكلف التيار إهانات شدّة! المقعد الفارغ كالورقة البيضاء عند الإنتخاب! فالأفضل أن نراهن على المقعد ولا نعلن خسارته منذ البدء



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Sami Gemayel (no matter what you think about him), had a positive approach toward us after the Maten by-elections (at least toward the forum), in the article posted in Al Akhbar (first post of this thread) it also says that Sami is still positive toward FPM.
جريدة الأخبار نشرت تحاليل سياسية وإستنتاجات لا أكثر. لأنه لا يمكن لأحد أن يجزم من اليوم بالأسماء واللوائح الإنتخابية، فكل هذه الإتفاقات والتحالفات تحصل حين تحن ساعة الصفر


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رد حزب "الكتائب اللبنانية" على ما نشرته صحيفة "الأخبار" في عددها الصادر يوم في مقال تحت عنوان "هؤلاء هم مرشحو الكتائب للإنتخابات" حيث تداولت الصحيفة أسماء قياديين في الحزب تكهنت أنهم مرشحون في الانتخابات المقبلة. فأوضح في ما يتعلق باحراج الحلفاء أن هدف الاعلان عن المرشحين باكرًا لا يصب في خانة احراج أحد خصوصًا الحلفاء إذ ان هذه الذهنية غير موجودة عند الحزب ولا تمت بصلة إلى الأسلوب الذي ينتهجه في تعاطيه السياسي والاخلاقي مع الحلفاء وغير الحلفاء.
كذلك بالنسبة إلى تركيز المعركة في أربع دوائر انتخابيّة، مما يؤدّي إلى استياء الكتائبيين في الدوائر الأخرى، أكد الحزب انه حاضر ومنتشر على امتداد مساحات الوطن لذلك لن يقتصر وجود مرشحيه على أربع دوائر انتخابية بل وسيأتي ترجمة عملية لانتشارهم الوطني.
وأوضح مجلس الاعلام في الحزب أن سامي أمين الجميل هو منسق اللجنة المركزية في الحزب وبالتالي ليس ممسكًا بملف الانتخابات إذ أن المكتب السياسي الكتائبي هو الذي يتولى تحديد المرشحين طبقًا للهيكلية الحزبية.
كما اعتبر مجلس الاعلام في "الكتائب" ان تداول "الأخبار" الاسماء المرشحة عن الحزب مجرد تكهنات لا تمت إلى الحقيقة بصلة، كون المكتب السياسي الكتائبي لم يصل بعد الى مرحلة البحث في الانتخابات النيابية طالما أن القضايا الوطنية الطارئة في البلاد من صياغة البيان الوزاري وطاولة الحوار.
وختم بيان مجلس الاعلام في "الكتائب" بالرجاء من جريدة الاخبار التأكد من اسماء الكتائبيين الواردة عبر صفحاتها وعدم الاعتماد على مصادرها الخاصة. إذ ورد على سبيل المثال لا الحصر، أن ألبرت قسطنطين نائب رئيس جبهة الحريّة مرشح الحزب عن المقعد الارمني ، والصحيح أن لا وجود لهذا الحزبي بل القيادي ألبرت كوستنيان عضو المكتب السياسي الكتائبي

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Here is a copy of what Samy said after the Maten by-elections last summer:

Message from Samy Gemayel
Dear Sami:
After careful reading of your statement I would like to respond to you explaining my views on your candidacy for the Lebanese parliament membership. I believe that FPM will need to focus on choosing coherent candidates on their list who posses the political ideology of FPM and with proven record of accomplishments that include improvement of the their locality, promotion and preservation of coexistence among all Lebanese groups.

If destiny imposed your biological and social status it is your achievements and characters that will dictate your political leadership position. You have the advantage to rely on the history of one of the most prominent political Lebanese family and party. While the charisma of your belated brother Pierre might shadow your exposure to the Lebanese political arena, his tragic departure handed you an auspicious opportunity to continue the political evolution and the popular base expansion of the Kataeb party. Yet the torchbearer lagged behind and wasted his oil on darken side roads that dimmed the torch. IMO, your last few years of political exhibition displayed erratic scenes that mix emotions with ambitions. For example, in your letter you recognized the importance and driving force of FPM movement in liberation of Lebanon yet you selectively disagree with their involvements in Lebanese political arena after 2005! You disagree with Aouns and the MOU yet you will consider allying with FPM in the coming election! You disagree with the political line of Al-Murrs family yet you are also considering their partnership in coming election. It is a dilemma indeed when you can not decide on your own what political position you want to actively pursue to build better Lebanon where young politicians have their independent voice free from feudal grasp and mentality. The feudal phenomenon added to egotistic characters of several feudal leaders and warlords significantly drive them to eliminate non-traditional parties and leaders from having a space on political scene because it threaten to narrow their circles. Mr. Sami, the constant criticism of GMA by your political coalition at every occasion is puzzling for me to see you allying with FPM. The leadership exhibited by GMA on many occasion showed what kind of vision he possesses. If you remember back in early October 1990 when GMA called on people to surpass the artificial borders that divided them and how many sides headed that call. Yet it was smashed regional power and local warlords. That belief survived and after 15 years it was the same leader that put his ambition into reality and reaped reconciliation from a large group of Lebanese population. He also invited the rest to indulge in destroying these walls of division, prejudice and hate. Again, different regional powers and local feudal and warlords were labeling him traitor and HA puppets, same shameful qualifications that you stated in your letter to fight and abolish!! The point, Sami, is to be a leader you have to stand for what you believe in and not what you have been told to believe. Showing leadership is being in the driving seat, that is what Bachir Gemayel had accomplished in his life not because he was from Gemayels family but because he faced the rage with strong conviction and powerful will independently. A nationalistic leader and candidate for the Lebanese, not maten only, parliament should not borrow slogans that instigate the dust of prejudice but rather crafts slogans that ignite the breeze of coexistence in our country.

As for the election, I suggest that you run as an independent candidate or have your list away from FPM and others. Provide your political views and positions and get to know your constituency from all sects. People tend to elect politicians who care for their aspiration and address their concerns. Prove yourself as a leader and then FPM could establish alliance with your party. As for the coming election, FPM and you know that it is a marriage of convenience and it will end at first opportunity. This coming election is more vital than FPM having one less or more MP member. It is a battle that will shape the future of Lebanon for long time to come. Finally, do not depend on anyone to give you free ride. Free rides have some payback and in politic it could be hefty i.e. selling your beliefs and auctioning your principles. Good luck!
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