Sami Gemayel & Kataeb Party - Parliamentary elections

[Smarties]

Cheikh Sami,

Thank you for your posting.

I disagree with many of your political stands, opinions and views, but I also share many of your dreams and objectives. It is healthy in politics and in a democratic system for people to disagree and for each party to have its own agenda, as long as there is mutual respect. This mutual respect you have just exhibited in your posting (and prior ones too), and I urge FPM members in this room to debate Sami with the same respectful manner he approached you guys (I say you guys because I am an FPM supporter, a strong supporter I might add, but not an FPM member, I am what you can call an independent whose political beliefs coincide with that of FPM.

I will not go into debating every political stand you have and that FPM has, I have many highly ranked friends in your circle and I will debate that with them. My main point here and I hope this message will get through to you, is that you need to be more realistic about your objectives, and you need to have a more realistic assessment of the situation in the region and the future of our country. My central comment here is that you are adopting a stand that the Christians have followed for nearly 30 years and it only led to our destruction, migration, and the shrinking of our political power. Please note that I don’t in any way mean that you are destroying the Christians or that you are responsible for the aforementioned points. On the contrary you are a new hope for the Christian community and I really wish you the best. But I think you and your friends have worked and are working very hard for a good cause, yet (and maybe this is an age issue, forgive me for my honesty) your approach is still immature and mostly entrenched in the past.
I will only say that for now, I will take the opportunity to get my full message through to you via common friends, and again thank you for your posting.

Respectfully,
Smarties

[Jean]

Originally Posted by ranbib

No one made statistics on the strength of each party: Kataeb or LF

well kataeb has voters in zahle, metn, beirut , batroun
LF has one chance that is bcharre

And why are the LF dominant?

let's face it, amin has no voice inside 14 march, geagea is the one who's talking and showing up (this doesn't mean that bay bayya has influence in that flabby group )

and sure, we can't know what's the situation on the ground, until the next elections

[Dry Ice]

FPM might accept the alliance of Gemayel Jr. however do they really need him?

I see the LF in far greater need, especially in the Matn.

[MPFL]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

It's funny when an FPMer is criticizing other parties for allying with Michel Murr.
As one of your FPMers colleagues said: Murr became bad after his apology expired?
FPM logic is amazing.

It's funny how some people fail to interpret a good sentence every time accidentally or intentionally i might say :D

X raised the question to Sami Gemayel and didn't give his opinion about Murr.
X asked Sami what has changed from since 2005 so that he 'might' ally with Murr.

Read again my friend.

Anyway,
We see as a bad person Murr not because his work between 1990-2005 but because he back stabbed us after 2005 and...

We should never ally with Phalanges nor LFrs. Full list in Maten that's the way to go..

[LebanesePride]

To be honest if im a young FPM leader id be very opposed to such an alliance.

FPM needs to start thinking about the future.

When FPM allies with someone, FPM gives them a part of its credit. It did it with SLeiman Frangiyyeh, it cleaned up his image in the eyes of FPM voters forever.

It even cleaned up Hezballahs image.

So imagine what it could do to a young, smart, enthusiastic politician such as Samy.

Youre simply helping a future rival.

We may be close or we may be distant in views, i dont know since frankly im not sure where Sami stands since he used 2 say some things very different before he joined Kataeb.

And hes certainly more likeable than many, but from a political competition point of view, hes not FPM, therefore strengthening him by allying with him is a mistake.

[ranbib]

Originally Posted by John A

let's face it, amin has no voice inside 14 march, geagea is the one who's talking and showing up (this doesn't mean that bay bayya has influence in that flabby group )

and sure, we can't know what's the situation on the ground, until the next elections

just for laughs

LF'ers are saying that HA is only afraid of them , and they are saying that they are not with the election law since they seek for an advanced law not for one from 1960,

as for sami :stop being a "failasouf" we are living in the middle east and we want to stay here.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Venom

Its not fear !

I tell u what my Kataeb relatives told me: "Geagea bado yekol kel shee, ma bado ykhaleh 7adan".....they simply hate him......there is a big crack inside the F14 group.....and this is not hidden and no secret.....

The crack has always existed between Kataeb and LF.

There's a deep battle of class/discrimination issues between them.Kataeb consider themselves as lords and LFers their "Zo3ran" servants.LF consider Kataeb as "aristocrates Joubana" and want to get rid of them at the first opportunity.

This is where racism leads.Sooner or later,it will even grow inside each Party,and dislocation would become more and more visible.

(Ta3ano Allah,Ta3ano El Watan,....Boukra Byet3ano El 3ayleh)

Anyway,it is clear that both fascism and racism of LF and Kataeb,have now to face each others, over the left-overs that FPM would be kind to throw at them.

[leb-wi-noss]

Originally Posted by MPFL

It's funny how some people fail to interpret a good sentence every time accidentally or intentionally i might say :D

X raised the question to Sami Gemayel and didn't give his opinion about Murr.
X asked Sami what has changed from since 2005 so that he 'might' ally with Murr.

Read again my friend.

Anyway,
We see as a bad person Murr not because his work between 1990-2005 but because he back stabbed us after 2005 and...

We should never ally with Phalanges nor LFrs. Full list in Maten that's the way to go..

Playing on words is not something I care to do here.
Well it's not clear who back stabbed who here. We all know that Murr left FPM, because Aoun was against his son becoming the minister of defence. So it's a conflict of interest issue and not back stabbing.
Besides why FPM cares who is going to ally with who since Murr is nothing in Maten and Amine has only the votes of his wife and daughters? Or you started shaking for the results of the Maten elections already?

[BOILER]

Stop your fears,dreams and nonsense.
Who is Sami Gmayyil?
What are his achievements except being the son and grandson of a previous and a current political party president?
Moreover, how will he ally with FPM against his father?
shu darab elkharaf fikon.
Lets' stick to the question asked by X to Sami, and the kataeb candidates.
LF will push Daniel Spiro in Beirut, and Nayla Tueini is not an option for Geagea there.
It will be interesting.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

Playing on words is not something I care to do here.
Well it's not clear who back stabbed who here. We all know that Murr left FPM, because Aoun was against his son becoming the minister of defence. So it's a conflict of interest issue and not back stabbing.
Besides why FPM cares who is going to ally with who since Murr is nothing in Maten and Amine has only the votes of his wife and daughters? Or you started shaking for the results of the Maten elections already?

shou 2ahrak? ma fhemet? this thread is about Samy Gemayyel, you strugglesd hard to find something to attack FPM with and you ended up finding something that nobody cares about, FPMers don't like Murr, la el eben wala el bay wala el ekhet and allying with Murr was a mistake.
Still I don't understand what your point is? is it to prove that FPM was mistaken while allying with Murr, then I agree yes FPM is mistaken, so why is 14 az3ar now allying with him and why do you support them?
What are your objectives in life except being bitter against FPM?