Reality Slap!

[kmarthe]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

I am here.

Note "as a head of the government". The primary official representative of the government of the republic of Lebanon (after the president). Remember GMA's first assertion regarding visiting Syria, before FPM jumped completely on the Syrian/Iranian alignment band wagon?

When GMA visited Syria he was not forming the government of Lebanon nor did he conclude any bilateral agreement with Syria, it was a visit to turn the past darkp age and start a new relation ebtween any two neighboring coutnries.

Just to remind you that Saad's father was always a prime minister when he used to visit Syria. Nothing will change except that in the coming four years the Lebanese PM will not go to Anjar but will regularly have to invest more time visiting the trio Riyad-Cairo-Damascus !!

[kmarthe]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Had the allies of Syria/Iran won the elections, what would have happened? Where would Syria be? The opposition, all the opposition is in the lap of Syria and Iran. You bolstered Syria's and Iran's influence in the country long before this election.

Stop telling me what-ifs based on your pure imagination. I am giving you facts and you are responding with what YOU think may have happened. Answer the questions that I asked before please, or else spare us your comments.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by kmarthe

Stop telling me what-ifs based on your pure imagination. I am giving you facts and you are responding with what YOU think may have happened. Answer the questions that I asked before please, or else spare us your comments.

You are aligned with Syrian/Iranian policy, and boldly asking me silly questions on the topic!! What an irony!!

[Negative]

لبنان عاد الى مداره في الفلك السوري

03 تموز 2009
لم تكد تمضي سنوات ثلاث على اغتيال رئيس الحكومة الراحل رفيق الحريري حتى بدأ الحديث عن سوريا يأخذ منحى مغايراً من قبل اللبنانيين بشكل خاص ودول العالم بشكل عام. فبعد ان كانت المتهمة الوحيدة بعملية الاغتيال، وبعد ان كانت المطالبات باسقاط النظام السوري وتغيير اسس السياسة الخارجية المعتمدة في دمشق، اصبحت سوريا بفعل سحر ساحر بريئة من الاغتيال، لا بل تحولت الى عنصر لا بد منه للمساعدة على كشف الجريمة وملابساتها!
وبعد ان كان نجل رفيق الحريري النائب سعد الحريري "رأس الحربة" في توجيه الاتهامات الى سوريا باغتيال والده (حتى ان رئيس الحكومة المكلفة تصريف الاعمال غمز من قناته وغيره في تصريح صحافي اخير له، حين شدد على انه لم يهاجم سوريا ولم يتهمها علناً ولو انه مقتنع بأفكاره الخاصة في هذا المجال)، ها هو يسكت عن كل التصاريح والتحليلات التي تفيد بقرب لقائه مع الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد، حتى انه احتاج الى موافقة وضمانات من سوريا لتولي منصب رئاسة الحكومة ويقبل تكليفه تشكيل الحكومة الثانية للعهد الحالي.
باختصار، بعد ان وجد لبنان نفسه خارج مساره القديم، ها هو يعود الى المسار نفسه ويدور في الفلك السوري بمباركة اقليمية ودولية، فهل هذا المطلوب فعلاً وما الذي سيتغير في الخارطة السياسية اللبنانية؟
مما لا شك فيه ان الخارطة السياسية لن تبقى على حالها، وهو امر بات معروفاً بعد الانتخابات النيابية الاخيرة، الا ان المفاجآت قد تكون سارة للبعض وسيئة للبعض الآخر. ستكون المفاجآت سارة حتماً للنائب وليد جنبلاط الذي مهّد ويمهّد لعودة العلاقات مع سوريا الى المسار الطبيعي، ولن تطول الصورة لتتضح معالمها بشكل ايجابي، وهي ستتزامن مع صورة الحريري في دمشق كرئيس للحكومة، وهي ما ستجعل الكثر من نواب الاكثرية يبحثون عن مادة اخرى يعبئون فيها الساعات الطويلة التي سيقضونها على الشاشات ووسائل الاعلام، وسينتمون طبعاً في بادىء الامر الى فريق المفاجآت غير السارة قبل ان يتأقلموا بعدها. ولا بد من تمرير سؤال عن الموقف السياسي للبطريرك الماروني نصرالله صفير المستحدث بعد هذه التطورات وحصولها، وهل ستعود المراسلات بين بكركي ودمشق بعد التوقف الذي استمر لسنوات؟
اما فريق مسيحيي الموالاة، فسيضطر الى اعادة صياغة كلامه ومواقفه، وسيحاول طمأنة قواعده الشعبية من خلال القول انه لطالما نادى بعلاقات ندية مع سوريا وهذا ما حصل بالفعل، وانه لولا جهوده لما وصلنا الى هذه النتيجة. واذا صحت هذه التوقعات، سيكون هذا الفريق على خط سلب انجازات من درب رئيس الجمهورية العماد ميشال سليمان الذي لا يفوت مناسبة للقول انه سعى ويسعى الى تقريب وجهات النظر بين الجميع في الداخل والخارج ( بين الدول العربية، وبين الافرقاء في لبنان...)، وانه بفضل سياساته عادت العلاقات بين لبنان وسوريا الى ما يجب ان تكون عليه، كما عادت العلاقة بين اللبنانيين والسوريين الى موضعها الطبيعي.
والسؤال الثاني الذي يفرض نفسه، انه في حال تم "تطبيع" العلاقات بين الحريري وسوريا (اي بين الموالاة وسوريا)، فهل سيسلب رئيس الحكومة الانظار من رئيس الجمهورية؟ وهل هذا هو السبب الذي يطالب فيه الرئيس ميشال سليمان بحصة وازنة في مجلس الوزراء ليكون الحكم؟ وهل ستصبح هذه الحصة عرضة للاخذ والرد وطرح التساؤلات في حال زالت اسباب التشنج والخلاف بين فريقي الموالاة والمعارضة والتي كان احد ابرز عناصرها النظرة الى سوريا والعلاقة معها؟ وكيف سيتأقلم الرئيس سليمان مع النظرة الجديدة اليه على انه رئيس للجمهورية فقط ( مع الصلاحيات المحدودة التي يتمتع بها) بعد ان سرق الانظار بكونه رئيس الجمهورية التوافقي الذي حظي بدعم لافت محلي وخارجي.
النشرة

When did the Lebanese rule Lebanon? Lebanon was an affiliate to Ancient Egypt, Persia, Ancient Iraq, France and recently Syria. Ruled directly by Greece, Islamic Khilafa and Turks. Lebanese can't rule unless they get out from their country (Qartaj, South American countries).

[kmarthe]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

You are aligned with Syrian/Iranian policy, and boldly asking me silly questions on the topic!! What an irony!!

If HA/Amal are allied with Syria and Iran, FPM is not whether you like it or not. Man, you did not even answer any of ths "silly questions". Your elected PM Saad is now waiting to Khoja and the Saudi king to meet with Bashar monday so Saad can form a government (this is not from me it is from the Future news media). I asked you is this considered sovereign and independent ? You failed to say Yes or No, just repeating electoral lies and propaganda

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by kmarthe

If HA/Amal are allied with Syria and Iran, FPM is not whether you like it or not. Man, you did not even answer any of ths "silly questions". Your elected PM Saad is now waiting to Khoja and the Saudi king to meet with Bashar monday so Saad can form a government (this is not from me it is from the Future news media). I asked you is this considered sovereign and independent ? You failed to say Yes or No, just repeating electoral lies and propaganda

doing a two days trip to syria doesn't help you refuting the fact that FPM is directly or inderectly helping syrian policies in Lebanon
cheers

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Exactly Elias. Think about it. The people held FPM accountable for its choices, politics, alignment, alliances, statements, and so on... And they voted against FPM in many cases. FPM stood on the wrong side of some very important issues to its base. What do you mean "we'll never know"? People noted well the FPM performance since 2005, they know.

Joseph please... if people understood really the meaning of "accountability", do you think they'd vote for Jumblatt ? Do you think they'd vote for Gemayel ? For Hariri ? For Geagea ? Just to anticipate what you're going to answer me, even for Berri ?

The problem is that, instead of trying to discuss and debate with us, about the future of our country, about our issues, you're stigmatizing FPM.

Anyway, your fixation on HA makes it impossible to have an objective debate. Get over it, and try to understand that FPM is not HA.

[Lebanon]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Had the allies of Syria/Iran won the elections, what would have happened? Where would Syria be? The opposition, all the opposition is in the lap of Syria and Iran. You bolstered Syria's and Iran's influence in the country long before this election.

What is the difference between now and in case the opposition won? HA is still as strong as it always was, actually right now it's even stronger with those assurances its getting from Hariri and Saudia Arabia. The weapons will be legitimized by the national-unity government. Syria is still being consulted in regards of the government formation and Saudia is more than involved. Hariri's visit to Syria is far from a protocol visit, and you know better.

How about you answer those questions, and please avoid stupid answers like syria will be allowed in again.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Lebanon

What is the difference between now and in case the opposition won? HA is still as strong as it always was, actually right now it's even stronger with those assurances its getting from Hariri and Saudia Arabia. The weapons will be legitimized by the national-unity government. Syria is still being consulted in regards of the government formation and Saudia is more than involved. Hariri's visit to Syria is far from a protocol visit, and you know better.

How about you answer those questions, and please avoid stupid answers like syria will be allowed in again.

I answered all of these in my very first post in this thread.

[kmarthe]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

doing a two days trip to syria doesn't help you refuting the fact that FPM is directly or inderectly helping syrian policies in Lebanon
cheers

I would definitely agree with you if the two days trip was for tourism not for forming the LEBANESE government who will decide the fate of the country for four years.

Give me just one example of how FPM is helping syrian policies. Is it helping more or less than the visit of the Saudi King to Damscus ? or more than the restoration of the diplomatic relations with the Obama administration ? Be objective please.