Reality Slap!

[J. Abizeid]

Who’s that Iranian woman next to Saniora?

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Rising Phoenix

البطريرك صفير: يجب الاهتمام بملف المهجرين

Is batrak threatening Walid Joumblatt in reply to his attack on Samy Gemayel??

What he means is that he needs help on working on tahjir ma tabbaka from the lebanese by his declarations and policies.

[kappa273]

jounblatt on june 29th 2009:

«خطابات سامي الجميّل تعيدنا إلى عام 1975. كأنه لا يعلم أن أحداً لم يعتذر في الطائف، وتم تثبيت عروبة لبنان التي حاربها البعض، ومنهم حزب الكتائب»

[Rising Phoenix]

Originally Posted by kappa273

jounblatt on june 29th 2009:

«خطابات سامي الجميّل تعيدنا إلى عام 1975. كأنه لا يعلم أن أحداً لم يعتذر في الطائف، وتم تثبيت عروبة لبنان التي حاربها البعض، ومنهم حزب الكتائب»

البطريرك صفير: يجب الاهتمام بملف المهجرين

Is batrak threatening Walid Joumblatt in reply to his attack on Samy Gemayel??

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Rising Phoenix

البطريرك صفير: يجب الاهتمام بملف المهجرين

Is batrak threatening Walid Joumblatt in reply to his attack on Samy Gemayel??

i thought, according to him, the file was closed when he did his comical visit to the shouf in 2001

[Dry Ice]

Makari wants 'realistic' approach to Hizbullah arms

Daily Star staff
Wednesday, July 01, 2009

BEIRUT: Deputy Parliament Speaker Farid Makari said on Tuesday that Hizbullah's weapons arsenal should be tackled "in a realistic manner." "No group is telling the Resistance that it has to disarm, and everybody knows that there have not been any incidents in South Lebanon since UN Security Council Resolution 1701 was issued," he claimed. Makari added that he had no information on whether Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri had offered Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah any local, regional or international assurances regarding the Resistance's arms. The deputy speaker said that "logically, the disarmament of the Resistance is impossible, but we should at least know what the future of these arms is."

The Daily Star - Politics - Makari wants 'realistic' approach to Hizbullah arms

[Mich©]

Originally Posted by kappa273

jounblatt on june 29th 2009:

«خطابات سامي الجميّل تعيدنا إلى عام 1975. كأنه لا يعلم أن أحداً لم يعتذر في الطائف، وتم تثبيت عروبة لبنان التي حاربها البعض، ومنهم حزب الكتائب»

Eh bassita boukra bi jewbo:
Ya7ouqo li Walid Jumblat ma la ya7ouqo li ghayrihi!

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Makari wants 'realistic' approach to Hizbullah arms

Daily Star staff
Wednesday, July 01, 2009

BEIRUT: Deputy Parliament Speaker Farid Makari said on Tuesday that Hizbullah's weapons arsenal should be tackled "in a realistic manner." "No group is telling the Resistance that it has to disarm, and everybody knows that there have not been any incidents in South Lebanon since UN Security Council Resolution 1701 was issued," he claimed. Makari added that he had no information on whether Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri had offered Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah any local, regional or international assurances regarding the Resistance's arms. The deputy speaker said that "logically, the disarmament of the Resistance is impossible, but we should at least know what the future of these arms is."

The Daily Star - Politics - Makari wants 'realistic' approach to Hizbullah arms

Lebanese politicians are so full of ****, it is getting hard to tell where they start, and where the **** ends.

[joseph_lubnan]

Diabolo SLAP or not, this is the reality of the independent voter:

Well before the elections, most independents understood Jumblat's flipfloping and expected as much. Most independents understood that Hezbollah is the de facto military ruler of Lebanon and will not be disarmed by force. Most independents knew very well that Berri will be the speaker. Most independents understood that Hariri won't be the savior, and LF isn't mother Mary. Most didn't expect radical change in the Hezbollah arms situation. And most independents still voted against your blatant support and defense of everything Hezbollah does, your justifications and defense of their weapons and internal incursions, and your political and policy alignment with Iran and Syria. Had the opposition won, Hezbollah would have been entirely at the helm. The Syrian Iranian policy would have been entirely uncontested. And it was clear to the voter that you had already agreed to that.

The loyalists aren't a savory bunch, but they were the only available alternative to the voter. How they move forward on the issue of Hezbollah's weapons and control of the country, however weak it may be, it will always remain a notch lower than the complete capitulation that FPM exhibited. One has to remember that Hezbollah practically rules Lebanon already militarily, and that the government in all its functions is and will be under duress. My preference remains as it always had been the political isolation of Hezbollah, and not necessarily taking reckless military action against Hezbollah as you like to claim. I never expected Saad Hariri to do that and he is not, but what was the alternative? voting for Hezbollah!!? Believe me I will be criticizing the new government's approach to Hezbollah's weapons, but that doesn't mean that one should regret the results of the elections, for a win by the opposition would have been significantly worse on this particular issue, and it would have put Hezbollah and its regional sponsors politicaly at the helm, more than they already are by the power of their gun.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Diabolo SLAP or not, this is the reality of the independent voter:

Well before the elections, most independents understood Jumblat's flipfloping and expected as much. Most independents understood that Hezbollah is the de facto military ruler of Lebanon and will not be disarmed by force. Most independents knew very well that Berri will be the speaker. Most independents understood that Hariri won't be the savior, and LF isn't mother Mary. Most didn't expect radical change in the Hezbollah arms situation. And most independents still voted against your blatant support and defense of everything Hezbollah does, your justifications and defense of their weapons and internal incursions, and your political and policy alignment with Iran and Syria. Had the opposition won, Hezbollah would have been entirely at the helm. The Syrian Iranian policy would have been entirely uncontested. And it was clear to the voter that you had already agreed to that.

The loyalists aren't a savory bunch, but they were the only available alternative to the voter. How they move forward on the issue of Hezbollah's weapons and control of the country, however weak it may be, it will always remain a notch lower than the complete capitulation that FPM exhibited. One has to remember that Hezbollah practically rules Lebanon already militarily, and that the government in all its functions is and will be under duress. My preference remains as it always had been the political isolation of Hezbollah, and not necessarily taking reckless military action against Hezbollah as you like to claim. I never expected Saad Hariri to do that and he is not, but what was the alternative? voting for Hezbollah!!? Believe me I will be criticizing the new government's approach to Hezbollah's weapons, but that doesn't mean that one should regret the results of the elections, for a win by the opposition would have been significantly worse on this particular issue, and it would have put Hezbollah and its regional sponsors politicaly at the helm, more than they already are by the power of their gun.

With all due respect Joseph, I have to desagree on the part in red...

Please take one minute of your time and visit some loyalist forums and you will understand that not the independents only but LFers and FMers were expecting a big change concerning the Hezbollah arms and concerning Berri as being speaker and as Hariri being the savour...

If the party partisans were expecting that, then the independents were also...

I will agree on the part that you said that they were afraid of HA arms and the Iranian influence and that's why they voted to M14... They didn't vote for M14 because of programs or political ideologies and the biggest example is you...

Thank you!!