Press freedom index: Israel performing bad, Iran worse, Lebanon better

[oscard]

salut,

having this index alone is not enough, since a lot of freedom might mean a lot of corruption.
i think there should be two indexes.
- index of freedom
- index of press honesty

based on the late events and rules in the courts, it seems that the index of press honesty in lebanon is extreamly low, so having a higher index of freedom lost a bit of its value
cheers

[ius]

Originally Posted by General-Specific

no im not a HA propagandist, everything I said is true, and u have no proof against what i said whatsoever, WHICH IS OF COURSE WHY YOU DIDN'T REPLY TO ANYTHING I SAID.

as for what u said to CHANGE THE TOPIC, that's ONE recent explosion, compared to nothing inside Israel in 33 days of war.

im not a propagandist im just a southern lebanese person whose nonpolitical family and village lost 16 members during the 2006 war because ur IDF decided to bomb our graveyard during the funeral of another 15 who died a day before, and 12 of the 31 are children.

i described to you South Lebanon and life there, and freedom there, but somehow ur convinced u know more about south lebanon than a southern lebanese person who goes there every weekend.

u base ur info on article written by people who have never even stepped in south lebanon, come and see what we have here. We have a beautiful land with lots of mountains and rivers, nothing of it is yours, and it will always be mentioned in history as the land where your IDF squealed and got their ***es kicked.

The whole argument started when I said there is no freedom of press in HA controlled areas. Now you agree there is no freedom of press. You agree that HA did not let the press investigate the explosion. So what are you arguing about?

And yes you are an HA propagandist. 31 from your village were killed because HA started a stupid war and then couldn't protect them and you still cheer for them. The non-political people left the villages in 2006 and went north. Mostly HA supporters remained. Don't try bluffing.

[ohyeah]

Originally Posted by ius

The whole argument started when I said there is no freedom of press in HA controlled areas. Now you agree there is no freedom of press. You agree that HA did not let the press investigate the explosion. So what are you arguing about?

And yes you are an HA propagandist. 31 from your village were killed because HA started a stupid war and then couldn't protect them and you still cheer for them. The non-political people left the villages in 2006 and went north. Mostly HA supporters remained. Don't try bluffing.

Where did you learn about 2006 war?
does the brain washing reached that degree?

about war:

1- you are occupying Lebanese land since 1978
2- you are kidnapping Lebanese prisoners in your prisons.

that is about the war.
why in all Israel wars there is 1000s killed of civilians not the opposite.
Everywhere Israel is involved you can find killing and mass murdering.

Even the Gladstone cant withstand what did you di in GAza?
in 67 war you have killed prisoners by crashing them with tanks.

Just read your history,can it hesitate you?
cant that make you think about what you talk?
where is the country in the world that give there citizenship to only persons with Jews mother?

please think again about that.

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

The whole argument started when I said there is no freedom of press in HA controlled areas. Now you agree there is no freedom of press. You agree that HA did not let the press investigate the explosion. So what are you arguing about?

And yes you are an HA propagandist. 31 from your village were killed because HA started a stupid war and then couldn't protect them and you still cheer for them. The non-political people left the villages in 2006 and went north. Mostly HA supporters remained. Don't try bluffing.

You shouldn't be one to lecture, because you agreed that Israel censors reporters inside Israel champ. Of course you couldn't win that argument, so you made the false claim that "HA controlled areas" does not have free press.

[ius]

Originally Posted by ohyeah

Where did you learn about 2006 war?
does the brain washing reached that degree?

about war:

1- you are occupying Lebanese land sine 1978
2- you are kidnapping Lebanese prisoners in your prisons.

that is about the war.
why in all Israel wars there is 1000s killed of civilians not the opposite.
Everywhere Israel is involved you can find killing and mass murdering.

Even the Gladstone cant withstand what did you di in GAza?
in 67 war you have killed prisoners by crashing them with tanks.

Just read your history,can it hesitate you?
cant that make you think about what you talk?
where is the country in the world that give there citizenship to only persons with Jews mother?

please think again about that.

You have a super distorted view of Israel and its history. It seems you only get your information from antisemitic sites.

Just one point out of many. You do not have to have a Jewish mother to get Israeli citizenship. For example, you can marry an Israeli citizen to become an Israeli citizen. You can also convert to Judaism and also become an Israeli citizen. This is unlike Japan for example where it is much harder to become a citizen. Your problem is as usual that you do not grasp that the Jews are a nation as well as a religion. We are a nation just like the Japanese or the Hungarians or the Koreans.

[ius]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

You shouldn't be one to lecture, because agreed that Israel censors reporters inside Israel champ. Of course you couldn't win that argument, so you made the false claim that "HA controlled areas" does not have free press.

Check out the thread. My claim is that there is no freedom of press in HA controlled areas and this distorts Lebanon's ranking. For some reason people decided to bring Israel into the discussion as always happens.

Of course Israel censors. So does the US and most democratic countries that have sensitive security data. You would like Al-Jazeera to broadcast where the HA rockets are hitting so that they can aim better, won't you? And when this is censored or forbidden you have issues with our freedom of press. What do you think, that we are stupid?

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

Check out the thread. My claim is that there is no freedom of press in HA controlled areas and this distorts Lebanon's ranking. For some reason people decided to bring Israel into the discussion as always happens.

Of course Israel censors. So does the US and most democratic countries that have sensitive security data. You would like Al-Jazeera to broadcast where the HA rockets are hitting so that they can aim better, won't you? And when this is censored or forbidden you have issues with our freedom of press. What do you think, that we are stupid?

You should be the one checking this thread. Given the fact that you came here trying to some how falsely claim that Lebanon's rank is deceiving because you are clearly pissed at how low Israel's rank is.Considering that you are an ardent supporter of Israel, it is only natural to make a comparison to Israel, to demonstrate the typical hypocrisy in your claims. So far you have failed miserably to demonstrate the false claims you keep reiterating about the freedom of press in "HA controlled areas".

Jews are not a nationality, they are a group of people that share a religion regardless of how tirelessly the Zionists try to make it so. A large number of Jews do not agree with the policies implemented by the Zionists of Israel.

Similarly, you'd like "Israeli reporters" to gain access to Southern Dahia and other sensitive Hizbollah areas, to take photographs of those areas so that Israel can laser target them better, won't you? And when Hizbollah simply checks if the reporters are doing anything fishy you have issues with Hizbollah's freedom of press. What do you think, that we are stupid?

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

You have a super distorted view of Israel and its history. It seems you only get your information from antisemitic sites.

Just one point out of many. You do not have to have a Jewish mother to get Israeli citizenship. For example, you can marry an Israeli citizen to become an Israeli citizen. You can also convert to Judaism and also become an Israeli citizen. This is unlike Japan for example where it is much harder to become a citizen. Your problem is as usual that you do not grasp that the Jews are a nation as well as a religion. We are a nation just like the Japanese or the Hungarians or the Koreans.

Israel is a racist state. If you are an Israeli Arab, you are not allowed to marry a non Israeli Arab and make them an Israeli citizen, including but not limited to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8165338.stm

One particularly controversial law is the 2003 Citizenship Law, under which Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza - women under 25 and men under 35 - who marry Israelis are not usually allowed to move to Israel.

Your lies fall one after the other like a house of cards.

[ohyeah]

Originally Posted by ius

You have a super distorted view of Israel and its history. It seems you only get your information from antisemitic sites.

Just one point out of many. You do not have to have a Jewish mother to get Israeli citizenship. For example, you can marry an Israeli citizen to become an Israeli citizen. You can also convert to Judaism and also become an Israeli citizen. This is unlike Japan for example where it is much harder to become a citizen. Your problem is as usual that you do not grasp that the Jews are a nation as well as a religion. We are a nation just like the Japanese or the Hungarians or the Koreans.

About the source :
I know it is really antisemitic source which is:

Israel TV - Ran Edelist documentary movie

you want to think yourself as nation why not?
you have all rights to think what you want to think but this must not affect the freedom and right of others.

you made the opposite -killing - mass murdering -stealing lands- throw people out.

what I say doesn't need source and we don't here talk about Semitic or something else , we talk here on the humanity and the right of everyone to have home and live in it in peace.
that is what you don't care about . It's ethics issue nothing else.

[Libnene Qu7]

Forget Israel. Who got ranked first? And what can Lebanon do, if at all possible, to emulate?