Press freedom index: Israel performing bad, Iran worse, Lebanon better

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

1) He was arrested for reporting he did about a war zone OUTSIDE Israel.
2) In your dreams the West Bank is not a war zone. It is a low intensity war, but it is a war.

1) So much for freedom of speech / press.

I"D"F to reporters: "Hey reporters inside Israel, don't report on anything "outside Israel" that Israel is involved in." You are neck deep in the cesspool of denial. That's much much worse than anything Hezbollah would ever do.

2) There is no such thing as "low intensity war". The West Bank is a land under occupation as defined by international law. Israel's military control of the West Bank is unchallenged for the past 40 years. Therefore, Israel is entirely responsible for the freedom of foreign Press in those areas.

[ius]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

1) So much for freedom of speech / press.

I"D"F to reporters: "Hey reporters inside Israel, don't report on anything "outside Israel" that Israel is involved in." You are neck deep in the cesspool of denial. That's much much worse than anything Hezbollah would ever do.

2) There is no such thing as "low intensity war". The West Bank is a land under occupation as defined by international law. Israel's military control of the West Bank is unchallenged for the past 40 years. Therefore, Israel is entirely responsible for the freedom of foreign Press in those areas.

Israel has every right to limit the press in war zones. It is common practice in all countries. You make think that the second intifada was not a war but you would be wrong. There is war in the West Bank, albeit a low intensity one.

[ohyeah]

Originally Posted by ius

Israel has every right to limit the press in war zones. It is common practice in all countries. You make think that the second intifada was not a war but you would be wrong. There is war in the West Bank, albeit a low intensity one.

could you tell me why land of Palestine( Israel ) is war zone since 51 years?
what is the reason of this land to become the only land which lasted 51 year in a war status?
why this land where the journalists treated according to their religion not their humanity?
This the nature of robber who pays money day and night to hide his truth.

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

Israel has every right to limit the press in war zones. It is common practice in all countries. You make think that the second intifada was not a war but you would be wrong. There is war in the West Bank, albeit a low intensity one.

Absolutely false. Israel has no right whatsoever to limit press in the OCCUPIED West Bank, or to prevent press from covering the Gaza war. It is NOT common practice in all countries, at least not the ones that claim to be "democratic".

But of course, it is common practice in apartheid states like Israel and former White South Africa.

Noting that the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, which set out international standards applicable to journalists on dangerous professional assignments in areas of armed conflict, classify those journalists as civilians, not as combatants, and that they should therefore benefit from all the protections afforded to civilians, including provisions against being deliberately targeted, detained or otherwise mistreated;

Belgrade Declaration

[ius]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

Absolutely false. Israel has no right whatsoever to limit press in the OCCUPIED West Bank, or to prevent press from covering the Gaza war. It is NOT common practice in all countries, at least not the ones that claim to be "democratic".

But of course, it is common practice in apartheid states like Israel and former White South Africa.

Noting that the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, which set out international standards applicable to journalists on dangerous professional assignments in areas of armed conflict, classify those journalists as civilians, not as combatants, and that they should therefore benefit from all the protections afforded to civilians, including provisions against being deliberately targeted, detained or otherwise mistreated;

Belgrade Declaration

The US and the Brits limited coverage from Iraq. Nato limits coverage from Afghanistan. But of course, these are not democratic countries to your standard.

Thank you for the lesson in international law. []

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

The US and the Brits limited coverage from Iraq. Nato limits coverage from Afghanistan. But of course, these are not democratic countries to your standard.

Thank you for the lesson in international law. []

The US invasion of Iraq was illegal in its entirety, given the fact that they did not get authorization from the UN security counsel. Israel and the US use the same model in treating the middle east like their own backyard. And even then, the US army allowed for reporters to be embedded in armed units and to report from there. Of course that was during the invasion and the war. Now that Iraq is under occupation, the press is free to report from Iraq without any hampering from the US. Of course the same cannot be said about occupied West Bank.

As to the NATO, that is absolutely false. The NATO never prevented the press from covering Afghanistan. But of course that want stop your vast imagination from fabricating statements.

[ius]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

The US invasion of Iraq was illegal in its entirety, given the fact that they did not get authorization from the UN security counsel. Israel and the US use the same model in treating the middle east like their own backyard.

As to the NATO, that is absolutely false. The NATO never prevented the press from covering Afghanistan. But of course that want stop your vast imagination from fabricating statements.

Are you kidding? Nato does not allow the press into war zones unless accompanied by soldiers.

If Israel is just as democratic as the US, that is good enough for me.

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

Are you kidding? Nato does not allow the press into war zones unless accompanied by soldiers.

If Israel is just as democratic as the US, that is good enough for me.

The US is not an Apartheid, that's the big difference. We are not talking about Journalists reporting from within the crossefire. We are talking about journalists that are reporting ABOUT the crossfire. Clearly you don't get the difference.

The journalists were kept from harms way, but not prevented from reporting the latest about the war. Israel is not keeping journalists from harms way in the west bank. To the contrary, it is censoring them and putting them deliberately in harms way.

No one in the US is prevented from reporting negative stories about Iraq. On the other hand, Walid Al-Omari was detained IN ISRAEL for reporting about the clashes on the northern borders, and during the Gaza war, the civilian casualties in Gaza were buried and barely mentioned in the Israeli media outlets.

[General-Specific]

Originally Posted by ius

You are a HA propagandist. Read what Michael Totten has to say.
How come reporters were not allowed near the recent explosion???
Why is there no independent reporting from there???

no im not a HA propagandist, everything I said is true, and u have no proof against what i said whatsoever, WHICH IS OF COURSE WHY YOU DIDN'T REPLY TO ANYTHING I SAID.

as for what u said to CHANGE THE TOPIC, that's ONE recent explosion, compared to nothing inside Israel in 33 days of war.

im not a propagandist im just a southern lebanese person whose nonpolitical family and village lost 16 members during the 2006 war because ur IDF decided to bomb our graveyard during the funeral of another 15 who died a day before, and 12 of the 31 are children.

i described to you South Lebanon and life there, and freedom there, but somehow ur convinced u know more about south lebanon than a southern lebanese person who goes there every weekend.

u base ur info on article written by people who have never even stepped in south lebanon, come and see what we have here. We have a beautiful land with lots of mountains and rivers, nothing of it is yours, and it will always be mentioned in history as the land where your IDF squealed and got their ***es kicked.

[General-Specific]

Originally Posted by ius

Israel has every right to limit the press in war zones. It is common practice in all countries. You make think that the second intifada was not a war but you would be wrong. There is war in the West Bank, albeit a low intensity one.

Oh God, here he goes again...

can u explain to me this:

why does israel have the right to limit press in war zones?
slavery was a "common practice" in the US, but that doesn't mean it was ethical.
People have a right to know what's happening, that's part of democracy.