Press freedom index: Israel performing bad, Iran worse, Lebanon better

[roch10452]

Originally Posted by ius

Not according to the report that you are seriously discussing.

its exactly the same...

Iran:
only journalist with the regime have freedoms, the others go to jail

Isreal:
only jewish journalists have freedom, the others go to jail

[ius]

Originally Posted by roch10452

its exactly the same...

Iran:
only journalist with the regime have freedoms, the others go to jail

Isreal:
only jewish journalists have freedom, the others go to jail

You are completely wrong.

There are several Israeli Arab papers and they have as much freedom of press as any other newspaper.

The fact is, that in large parts of Lebanon, the parts controlled by HA, there is no freedom of press whatsoever. Just own up to the facts and don't let emotions get in your way.

[roch10452]

Originally Posted by ius

You are completely wrong.

There are several Israeli Arab papers and they have as much freedom of press as any other newspaper.

The fact is, that in large parts of Lebanon, the parts controlled by HA, there is no freedom of press whatsoever. Just own up to the facts and don't let emotions get in your way.

read the page made for isreal

http://www.rsf.org/en-rapport154-Israel.html

[hiptanaka]

Originally Posted by ius

The number for Lebanon is a little misleading. In the areas controlled by HA, and they are not insignificant, the freedom of the press is like in Iran.

Thanks for the lecture on press freedom, Mr 93rd.

[ius]

Originally Posted by roch10452

read the page made for isreal

Reporters Sans Frontières

From the report:
"The Israeli authorities are capable of both best and worst practice when it comes to respect for press freedom. Despite military censorship, its press still enjoys total freedom that is unequalled in the region."

So I guess I do get to lecture you.

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

You are completely wrong.

There are several Israeli Arab papers and they have as much freedom of press as any other newspaper.

The fact is, that in large parts of Lebanon, the parts controlled by HA, there is no freedom of press whatsoever. Just own up to the facts and don't let emotions get in your way.

What a joke. What facts are you talking about? You came in here, clearly hurt by the fact that Lebanon owned Israel in terms of freedom of press, and you made a statement entirely out of thin air, claiming freedom of press in "HA controlled areas" is like Iran, with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Why don't YOU own up to the fact that, Lebanon, despite all the propaganda Israel and Zionist Americans are trying to propagate in the world portraying it as a country under the brutal mercy of Hizbollah, is a big fabrication and a lie. There is enough press against Hizbollah in Lebanon just as much as any where else. Freedom of expression is much much better in Lebanon than it is in Israel, and that includes Hizbollah, whether you like it or not.

Further still, the last elections proved that there is almost unanimous support for Hizbollah amongst the Shia, who largely live in the areas "controlled" by Hizbollah.

Own up to the facts yourself. In freedom of the press, Lebanon >>>>> Israel.

[ius]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

What a joke. What facts are you talking about? You came in here, clearly hurt by the fact that Lebanon owned Israel in terms of freedom of press, and you made a statement entirely out of thin air, claiming freedom of press in "HA controlled areas" is like Iran, with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Why don't YOU own up to the fact that, Lebanon, despite all the propaganda Israel and Zionist Americans are trying to propagate in the world portraying it as a country under the brutal mercy of Hizbollah, is a big fabrication and a lie. There is enough press against Hizbollah in Lebanon just as much as any where else. Freedom of expression is much much better in Lebanon than it is in Israel, and that includes Hizbollah, whether you like it or not.

Further still, the last elections proved that there is almost unanimous support for Hizbollah amongst the Shia, who largely live in the areas "controlled" by Hizbollah.

Own up to the facts yourself. In freedom of the press, Lebanon >>>>> Israel.

So one year out of 60 Lebanon is ranked higher than Israel. In the previous years you dismissed the reports, now you embrace it. When next year Israel is back on top what will you say? We will hear the same lame excuses.

I repeat, there is ZERO freedom of press in areas controlled by Hizballah and the Lebanon number is misleading for that reason. You know that very well.

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by ius

So one year out of 60 Lebanon is ranked higher than Israel. In the previous years you dismissed the reports, now you embrace it. When next year Israel is back on top what will you say? We will hear the same lame excuses.

I repeat, there is ZERO freedom of press in areas controlled by Hizballah and the Lebanon number is misleading for that reason. You know that very well.

I never dismissed the reports. Another ridiculous baseless assumption. And I repeat, provide evidence for your baseless claims about "HA controlled" areas with no freedom of press, preferably from an independent source. Otherwise you can ramble on and on about "facts" that you just made up from thin air.

Israel's freedom of press is very misleading. When it comes to Israelis criticizing the government for general policies, it is all fine and dandy. But the moment when Israel starts a new slaughter / massacre of Palestinians, the military suddenly takes very strong control of all the media outlets in order to keep the Israeli public opinion in line.

Israeli press is very free, until it starts massacring Palestinians, where it becomes worse than Iran. Case in point the fact that it dropped nearly 50 places in the same year it massacred Palestinians in Gaza.

[ius]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

What a joke. What facts are you talking about? You came in here, clearly hurt by the fact that Lebanon owned Israel in terms of freedom of press, and you made a statement entirely out of thin air, claiming freedom of press in "HA controlled areas" is like Iran, with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Why don't YOU own up to the fact that, Lebanon, despite all the propaganda Israel and Zionist Americans are trying to propagate in the world portraying it as a country under the brutal mercy of Hizbollah, is a big fabrication and a lie. There is enough press against Hizbollah in Lebanon just as much as any where else. Freedom of expression is much much better in Lebanon than it is in Israel, and that includes Hizbollah, whether you like it or not.

Further still, the last elections proved that there is almost unanimous support for Hizbollah amongst the Shia, who largely live in the areas "controlled" by Hizbollah.

Own up to the facts yourself. In freedom of the press, Lebanon >>>>> Israel.

The facts about HA:
Reporting Hezbollah: At your own risk? | Menassat

BEIRUT, August 26, 2008 (MENASSAT) – Buns & Guns, a hamburger restaurant in the Dahiye, Hezbollah-controlled South Beirut, has recently shot to international fame. Dozens of local and foreign journalists have flocked to the war-themed restaurant, where the waiters wear flack jackets and the muzak is gunfire. For the owner, it is a fun way to sell hamburgers; for the journalists, it is a fun way to talk about Hezbollah.

So why is it that several foreign journalists have been picked up by Hezbollah militiamen and interrogated for hours after they had visited Buns & Guns?

David Hury, a French journalist, was detained on August 12, taken to different locations and questioned for six hours about his professional and private life before being released.

On August 15, two visiting Brazilian journalists, Marcos Losekan and Paulo Pimentel of Globo TV, and a Beirut-based Brazilian journalist, Tariq Saleh, who works for the Brazilian service of the BBC, went through almost the exact same experience.

The Brazilian journalists went home and produced a sensationalist segment, using footage of their own detention, in which they claimed to have been "kidnapped" by the "terrorist organization Hezbollah."

Reporters without Borders, the Paris-based press freedom organization, put out an alert saying they had been "arrested."

For journalists working in Lebanon, being detained by Hezbollah is nothing new. Some consider it to be a "rite of passage" for newly arrived correspondents.

And we all know that these detentions often don't amount to much more than being fed tiny cups of tea while the wheels of Hezbollah's administration slowly grind.

Similarly, Beirut-based journalists are well aware that visiting journalists often like to make a big deal about being detained by Hezbollah.

But there is something new about these recent detentions.

– the interrogations were much longer than usual;
– the nature of the questioning appears to have been very invasive, including demanding the passwords to journalists' email accounts, and questions about their personal lives.

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You can read HAs response by following the link above.

[PFC]

Originally Posted by ius

The facts about HA:
Reporting Hezbollah: At your own risk? | Menassat

BEIRUT, August 26, 2008 (MENASSAT) – Buns & Guns, a hamburger restaurant in the Dahiye, Hezbollah-controlled South Beirut, has recently shot to international fame. Dozens of local and foreign journalists have flocked to the war-themed restaurant, where the waiters wear flack jackets and the muzak is gunfire. For the owner, it is a fun way to sell hamburgers; for the journalists, it is a fun way to talk about Hezbollah.

So why is it that several foreign journalists have been picked up by Hezbollah militiamen and interrogated for hours after they had visited Buns & Guns?

David Hury, a French journalist, was detained on August 12, taken to different locations and questioned for six hours about his professional and private life before being released.

On August 15, two visiting Brazilian journalists, Marcos Losekan and Paulo Pimentel of Globo TV, and a Beirut-based Brazilian journalist, Tariq Saleh, who works for the Brazilian service of the BBC, went through almost the exact same experience.

The Brazilian journalists went home and produced a sensationalist segment, using footage of their own detention, in which they claimed to have been "kidnapped" by the "terrorist organization Hezbollah."

Reporters without Borders, the Paris-based press freedom organization, put out an alert saying they had been "arrested."

For journalists working in Lebanon, being detained by Hezbollah is nothing new. Some consider it to be a "rite of passage" for newly arrived correspondents.

And we all know that these detentions often don't amount to much more than being fed tiny cups of tea while the wheels of Hezbollah's administration slowly grind.

Similarly, Beirut-based journalists are well aware that visiting journalists often like to make a big deal about being detained by Hezbollah.

But there is something new about these recent detentions.

– the interrogations were much longer than usual;
– the nature of the questioning appears to have been very invasive, including demanding the passwords to journalists' email accounts, and questions about their personal lives.

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You can read HAs response by following the link above.

HA is by far more democratic and open minded than the jerks that rule Israel
HA is less racist than the Zionists in Israel
HA is a proud resistance who fought and defeated the ID?F
when you want to write about HA you have to start by washing your mouth []