President Michel Sleiman: You have to resign immediately

[coralie]

Originally Posted by sanfour

i didn't miss it, coralie. what the president meant is neither 8 march
nor 14 march and that does not necessarily mean neutral. it is something
similar to what president Fouad Chehab did back in the 60s.
anyway, that's not the worst case scenario.....the worst case scenario
is if the votes are split between him and the FPM lists so that neither
of them can win and the 14 Feb. vote in one block for their lists and win.

again seems you missed the part of my previous post saying he will enter the game to divide/weaken what others were unable to distroy . target GMA popularity and representation .

so basically we are geting to the same conclusion !

[Zouxi]

excellent thread indeed fakhreddine :)

I was from the beginning skeptical about electing this man, and i posted many times that it was a big mistake from FPM electing sleiman...

This man is too greedy and too lucky at the same time, he could have been now enjoying his retrait from the army fishing in amchit, but unfortunately due to a very huge error, especially from FPM side, the man is now president and he is willing under the table to get a big parliamentary block...

Moreover, he claims to be concensual, but being concensual unfortunately turned unfortunately to be simply a spectator with mute lips, deaf ears and blind eyes....And that what we don't want as president, we want to be players in the game and not referee, what a silly role...

His undertable games are shown clearly in two cases:

1-Syria said that bachar assad has informed to michel sleiman that the purpose of the syrian army presence in northern borders with lebanon is to ban illegal sumggling, and 14 march began to attack syria for that purpose, and yet michel sleiman hadn't the courage neither to deny what syria said nor to confirm...

2-Sleiman kept on saying that he won't interfere in the elections because he is impartial , however yesterday he passed a submilinal message that he wants a "national parliamentary block".....

He wants to be concensual and impartial and yet he wants everything, ya3ni darbi 7al 7afer w darbi 3al mesmar....

Be ready guys, this man is too greedy and he plays from under the table, and mark my words, he plays the role of being impartial and "nafso 3afifeh" but in fact he is willing to endorse his presidential powers with a parliamentary block..

And since 14 march preferred electing him president on electing GMA, they will prefer electing his block on electing FPM candidates, everything but FPM...

Hereby, i believe that next election neither 14 march nor 8 march +FPM will have the sabsolute majority ( 65 mps) but every camp will have under 65mps and the rest wilk be for the president...

Ufortunately the christians are too emotional and they will be affected by him and he will be a real threat for us, and we don't mind however, but we want him one thing:

Tell the people that you are not impartial and you want to have a parliamentary block instead of hiding behind michel el murr and mansour el bon and other figures....face us with dignity and let the better wins...

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by coralie

again seems you missed the part of my previous post saying he will enter the game to divide/weaken what others were unable to distroy . target GMA popularity and representation .

so basically we are geting to the same conclusion !

his target is not GMA, his target is having a parliamentary block
that is neither march 8 nor march 14. it's not a conspiracy, it's the
people's choice IF it happens.
i don't think of it as destruction of GMA or whatever you are calling it,
it is an invitation for the neutral mass of voters to say what they want.
now, the question is: why did the neutral mass grow in the first place?
why are there 23%(a 20% increase from 2005) of the voters in metn,for example,
who haven't decided yet? did FPM ask itself this question?

[Proud Republican]

Originally Posted by coralie

sorry Dodzi but i failed to understand the red part of your post .
the President should not be "allied" or have allies in the parlement not under any circumstances or for any reason . he should be the PRESIDENT OF ALL LEBANESE point a la ligne and work with all the parlementary blocks equaly at equal distance from all . i dont see why he should have a block inside the parlement ? what is the purpose ? this will make him part of this or that like it or not this is how things work in lebanese parlement . so obviously he is ready to enter openly the dirty game of sides and le3bit el ma7awer .
for me there is nothing called neutrals in Lebanon as we hear many saying, in time every one will take a side this is a fact let us stop fooling ourselves .

let me assume he "has the right to have a parlementary block" will he dare have candidates in the south ? in bekaa ? in tripoli ? in beirut ? if not this means THE PRESIDENT is building his "block" with a previous plan to divide what noone was able to distroy . this means he is taking a side .

so he is either THE LEBANESE PRESIDENT or HEAD of a parlementary BLOCK .
if he choose the later let him resign from his presidential duties and play the parlementary game .

so basically, GMA cannot be president anymore.

[orange infection]

Originally Posted by sanfour

personally, i didn't hear of any GMS lists anywhere yet.

بعد جديث المعلومات الصحافية عن توجه لتشكيل لائحة ثالثة في دائرة بعبدا تضم النائب بيار دكاش والنائب السابق صلاح حنين ورئيس بلدية الشياح موني غاريوس، تعلن التزامها نهج رئيس الجمهوريّة ميشال سليمان، بدأ كلام عن نيّة بعض المقربين من سليمان الضغط لتأليف لائحة في دائرة بيروت الأولى تضم كل من النائب ميشال فرعون، نائلة تويني، ومسعود الأشقر. أما هدف اللائحتين فهو الضغط على العماد عون ومحاولة محاصرة أنصاره، أو القضم منهم. حيث أن للأسماء المتداولة في بعبدا حيثيتها المناطقيّة والعائليّة. أما في بيروت فتحالف الأسماء الثلاثة هذه كفيل بوضع شمع أخمر على الدائرة.

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[barid]

Originally Posted by orange infection

till now , i haven't heard of any list for the president in bsharri , or akkar , or chouf or aley
what a coincidence , gms's lists do not appear where the christian opposition will lose

So what. Notyhing is granted. Besides he asked for a block for the whole county.

[needfortruth]

1 - Michel Aoun without competition from Seliman = Michel Aoun win

2 - Michel Aoun + Michel Sleiman alliance = Bigger win and Aoun's block will serve as Michel Sleiman's ally.

3- Michel Aoun against Michel Sleiman = All ex-war criminal and thieves win.

It is Michel Sleiman's hand:

If he goes for option one, he is being truly neutral.

If he goes for option 2, he will be the ideal president that the Christian need right now.

If he goes for option 3, he is either really stupid, no different than Geagea or this has always been his mission from day 1 and is hired for that role. THen one must wonder where is Syria from all that is happening to try and understand the bigger picture, since in that case Sleiman is simply someone's puppet or common toy.

For now, let us not get panicky, hateful, and presumptuous. Aoun needs to make his silent moves, develop an understanding of whether something is going on and simply explain to the Christians the damage that a Sleiman participation against him would lead too: the loss for both of them and the rule of the evil ones. Also, Aoun has the responsibility to net alliances including ones with Sleiman and other Christian leaderships to solidify his potential win. All these trips to Iran and Syria better lead to something. As Christians we are understanding but want results.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by sanfour

his target is not GMA, his target is having a parliamentary block
that is neither march 8 nor march 14. it's not a conspiracy, it's the
people's choice IF it happens.
i don't think of it as destruction of GMA or whatever you are calling it,
it is an invitation for the neutral mass of voters to say what they want.
now, the question is: why did the neutral mass grow in the first place?
why are there 23%(a 20% increase from 2005) of the voters in metn,for example,
who haven't decided yet? did FPM ask itself this question?

as i said I DONT BELIEVE THERE IS ANY ONE NEUTRAL . neutrality is a lie in Lebanon .
bas te7tedim el ma3rakeh every one will take a side .
you never had a conversation with people who keep saying : nehna ma khasna bel siyesseh kellon metel ba3don ana la ma3 holeh wala ma3 holeh ... ?
and just when the conversation start to be "hot" out of nowhere you find them deffending this or this side vehemently ! there is hypocrites yes but not neutrals .
w fi elli ma 2elon jledeh yet7arako w ya3mlo el mouchwar 3al day3a to vote la2ano el mouchwar tawil w henneh they have a picnic or rayhin 3al baher ma elon jledeh , yeah neutrals ! w fi elli natrin min rah yedfa3 aktar so they wait la 2ekhir lahza to get the best offer $$$ , yeah neutrals .... i worked in elections so i know what i am talking about !

Soleiman is the president of the republic he has his duties (as much as they allow him to have a marge of action ) let him stick to his duties .

[orange infection]

Originally Posted by barid

So what. Notyhing is granted. Besides he asked for a block for the whole county.

hahahahahah
if he want a block for the whole country ,m then the deputees must be from the whole country , instead of digging a hole in FPM's block to take some deputees
by running candidates only in FPM's regions he's trying to embarrass FPM , why don't he try it in chouf or aley or bcharri or akkar ??? a lot of christians deputees in these areas (3 in akkar , 4 in chouf , 3 in aley , 2 in bcharri )

[hannaalsayssa]

think about it this will favor us in mnay ways, just hear me out.

1-we will insist on it ans ask for a block of mixed sects and all.
2-if they accept fine if not it will show his color,so he eitehr nback or let him be taraf. who cares.
3-if they accept ( 14feb) we were going to have to leave couple of seats anyway or even lose couple of them in batroun, maybe koura etc... we will levae them now to the preseident. since anyway they were not for us.

it is too early anyway, and he has to clarify his statements more and more.so let us wait and see.
he will ambush him and the others and not vice versa.
just think how GMA ambushed them in
MOU
Visit to Iran
Abou jamra VPM
and so many other things, we are waiting for them and not vice versa.
the president will get mostly the 14feb votes and since they have to put somehow independents and not openly 14feb , they will get their base even less ready to vote for them.

A MOVE LET the president WILL ENERGIZE US AND WILL MAKE OUR INDPEENDENTS EVEN MORE COMMIITTED.