pierre gemayel....another mistake

[oasis]

M13

stop right there ...this topic aims to focus the lights on the way secterianism is spread in

lebanon when this country is about to witness the most crutial elections in its history

the topic doesnt aim on unsulting the gemayel family especially MARTYR PRESIDENT BASHIR

GEMAYEL , i personally have my remarks over amine and his son pierre but that doesnt

mean that i have anything against the GEMAYEL family

as for spliting the lebanese people into 2 parts ...i agree on that idea on the condition that

this spliting is on the rule of who's with the lebanese soverenty and independence ..and who's not

and not to split them on the base of christian/ muslim

and by the way ..criticising pierre gemayel doesnt make hasan nasrallah an angel

hasan nasrallah has been pumping on the issue of majority and minority since like about 6

month...i think he is trying to create excuses to keep the syrians here

[Franco]

hi guys,
i just want to say that pierre gemayel's speech is a fanatic one, and is a big mistake without any doubt. But also kandil's and cheikh hassan nasrallah speeches are fanatic, but usually nobody cared to reply on their talkings.
the advantage of Gemayel's speech is that it incited most polititians, christians and muslims, to reject sectarian talk including those of Kandil and Nasrallah.

[Lebanon_not_Arabic]

M113,

resisted what? who? where? why? and when?? Can he or anyone deny that Bashir used both our neighbours to get him the presidency? He sold the Lebanese for his personal agenda....

i disagree 100% with you, but since it's a forum where we share our ideas, i just want to tell you that law ma l Sheikh Bachir Gemayel ma kein fi shi essmo Lebnein...

LABBAYKA LEBNAAN

[Vet]

i disagree 100% with you, but since it's a forum where we share our ideas, i just want to tell you that law ma l Sheikh Bachir Gemayel ma kein fi shi essmo Lebnein...

I disagree 100% with you, Bashir (And not Cheick bashir since we in FPM don't believe in such propaganda) was a "di3aye a3lemiye"

You say law ma l Sheikh Bachir Gemayel ma kein fi shi essmo Lebnein

So let me ask you, after his death, why nothing changed? when he was alive how many meters did he free? he was just a Muslim hater war Lord and after becoming president (by the support of both occupation armies) he just made some nice speeches same like Lahoud made in his "khotab el kasam"

Stop believing in fake stories knowing that you were too young back then (if you were born) We lived those eras, we fought and most of the wars we fought were just "fake" wars so he can force himself as president (if they didn't elect him a president, he was not gonna let elections to take place same like jaja did in 1988)

Going back to the kid pierro, well what quality is he talking about when he lacks "jens" elquality men elases???????

[M13]

Oasis:

The "MARTYR PRESIDENT" you referred to was elected with Israeli tanks protecting him.... That's one point.

Point 2.

There are two tones asking syria to get out of Lebanon:

1. The friendly tone(Walid Beik Jounblat) - which I strongly support!
and
2. The hostile tone....Michel Aoun, which is a reactive type of tone, as in: the freedom & Sovereignty of Lebanon are the apparent requests, while getting "even" with the syrians is the true reason.

I STRONGLY AGREE that the syrians should get out of Lebanon, their army presence is of no use to do anything immediately is something serious breaks out. Their "moukhabarat" is outrageous. But I still also STRONGLY believe, that we need excellent relationships with Syria for our own sake.

[JoeFPM]

Originally Posted by Lebanon_not_Arabic

M113,


i disagree 100% with you, but since it's a forum where we share our ideas, i just want to tell you that law ma l Sheikh Bachir Gemayel ma kein fi shi essmo Lebnein...

LABBAYKA LEBNAAN

Lebanon_not_arabic....i also disagree 100% with u ...We all know that bachir -may god have mercy on his soul- was elected president because of israelians and their tanks.;in fact alot of lebanese call him the president yally eja rakyss gal debebe el israylie...plus u said that without bachir ma kein fy shy esmo libnan..and that s another fault...bashyr was one of the first who asked federalism and farmore toksim of the lebanese territory and he admitted it in many of his speeches...but in later when he found that this slogan will no longer work he changed to the 10452...yes it s as easy as that...without bashir jmayel there were no safra...no ehden...no amshyt..u can tell me that without raymond edde and michel aoun and ryad el soleh...there were no lebanon..i ll agree

PS :ironically this my post nbre 82 in the forum..the year bashyr died..alla yrhamou w ysemhou

[M13]

Lebanon Not Arabic....

one note, I'm M13 (as in Mchantaf 13) not M113 as in a tank...
I wished that would have answered my questions rather than disagreeing with me. If there is something that I don't know and you think I should, please don't hesitate in posting it. I won't hold a grudge, won't feel ofended and won't attack you personally.

Regards

[Vet]

1. The friendly tone(Walid Beik Jounblat) - which I strongly support!

1- Walid jomblat never asked the Syrians to pull out, he asks them to go to bekka as mentioned in the Taef.

2- Walid jomblat is asking Syrians what he asking since 6 months, before that he was one of the pro-Syrians "bi imtiyez" what was your position back then?

But I still also STRONGLY believe, that we need excellent relationships with Syria for our own sake.

The only person who was and still is asking for that is the General, go read some of his speeches and you will see what he asks for

[M13]

Vet:

General changed his tone just recently

& don't you think that what Walid is asking for, would release the tension between Lebanese?

I really like this conversation guys....I like the diversity of opinions, hoefully we can keep it up........

I gtg to lunch now lol!!

[JoeFPM]

M13 sahteyn..but man i advice u to pay a visit to some other thread cz all this issue was discussed...