Patriarch Sfeir Role in Weakening the Christians

[John Paul 2]

the funny with sfeir in 2005 election helf el roube3i it wasnt any change for lebanon's face from arabic to persian

[YOSS]

Originally Posted by Dynamis

How about we start a campaign with the Pope to remove Patriarch Sfeir from his post...?

We can document and send to the Pope how he split the Christians since he took over...We have tons of evidence?

This can not be driven by FPM but by individuals like us...it has to be a grass root campaign...

Yes?

Any ideas on enumerating all his evil doings? We can start with 1989, to october 1990, all the way to today...At every step, he choose the path of splitting us...

Ideas?

I agree - but you think the Pope would?

Something died as well along with JPII.

What Sfeir did on election eve; he chose a side for the Christians of Lebanon vis a vis an age old regional conflict among Sunna & shia represented by saudi & Iran..

Something no other predecessor ever did.

[Dynamis]

Originally Posted by YOSS

I agree - but you think the Pope would?

We will never know unless we try...Worth a try...No?

[Ataraxia]

I don't understand all those saying that we cannot afford it.
We were able to afford a confrontation with him in this elections whereas he was backed by everyone, and while the 14 march coalition tried as very hard to portray it as if GMA is attacking his religious position. So, what makes us not capable of affording it now ? If the people supported us despite everything , it means they understand the true purpose of FPM's views regarding the Patriarch.

Also, a further step would be not allowing any religious leader to have a say in the politics anymore. Let them go preach in their churches and mosques for the visitors, not in the political scene for the poor person who only wants to have a proper life.

[GeorgeY]

i think it should be played on their own battlefield
the batrak in his great speach said we are loosing our "kayan" so i think we should start a propaganda to "save the kayan" until the great batrak tell us what we r loosing and at the same time ask the vatican to help us save the kayan since the batrak obviously is the one that is endangering this kayan by building hatered inside christians
as for my point of view i think we should always belong to the "church" since christ build us a church not a heirarchy of clergymen. and by the doctrines of the catholic church no one from men is exempted from sin since except the pope himself. so the batrak is susceptible to sin and making mistakes. i personally can not understand how can a person like batrak hold that much grudge and hatered to anyone. WAKE UP BATRAK U R A MAN OF THE CHURH U R NOT THE CHURH AND U WILL NEVER BE AND ALSO U R NOT ABOU SAMIR SO GIVE THE PPL SOME BREAK.
so for God's sake someone ask the vatican and the Pope to safe our ***** kayan alrdy

[sanfour]

in addition to the money involved,
Sfeir and his allies are promised a christian mini-state after tawtin.

[Red Phoenix]

we could start an online petition to tell him to go home.

we could write books to describe the horrors that he did pitting family members against each other.

we could start regular chain complaint emails to the vatican.

but in the end i tend to think all this will be fun but useless.

the church is corrupt to the bone, and in this country many people and politicians still have a medieval mentally of blind slaves and herd goaders.

all we need is another patriarch that will not divide nor get new enemies for the christian community.

someone who will think before speaking and can be a symbol of unity and respect.

but this is lebanon, aliens will contact planet earth b4 that happens here.

i just hate the church and i learned that these days i hate the ignorant vile peasants of lebanon who follow it too.

evil stole christianity and here stole also the humanity of its blind followers.

[elador]

i would pay a thousand dollars (i'm being realistic, if i have a million dollars i would pay it) to hear a voice recording of the batrak or one of his matarni asking the priests to distribute Khazen/Bon list

[dyyyy]

guys please, one side note
do not confuse the patriarch with the church, everyone agrees that the patriarch is corrupted, and so are many more bishops.
but believe most of them know this, and you should know that some priests are even more patriotic than us, and sunday we saw a good example.

[Illuminatus]

and you wonder why you lost?