Patriarch Sfeir Role in Weakening the Christians

[Anny]

I think we should stop attacking him and leave the guy alone because by being secular, it is killing him that he is loosing some political media power, in the christian side, 65% and maybe even more seem to support more secularism against sectariasm, give him time, he will die by himself with an heartattack or something, he is old, the next generations are not into churches alot so he is loosing already, he doesnt need us on his back, the more we show that we are against him, some people thinks we are against the church, so about that we should just ignore him, people already saw that he is supporting another camp in christians and that he is the one who is the reason why we are split.

[Dark Angel]

The patriarch is a helpless old man, but if we confront him in public we'll pay a heavy price. look at all the Lebanese politicians, they all praise him and they all end up doing against his wishes, but he hardly notices.

it is not about agreeing or disagreeing with him, it is rather about paying him some lip service. FPM needs to master these games if the party wants to make it in the Lebanese swamps and quick sands.

we have nothing to gain by publicly opposing the patriarch and we have alot to lose by confronting him, let's do what everybody else does, let's give him lip service and proceed with our political plans as usual.

same goes for the president. FPM seems to be very gullible in these matters.

[Anny]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

The patriarch is a helpless old man, but if we confront him in public we'll pay a heavy price. look at all the Lebanese politicians, they all praise him and they all end up doing against his wishes, but he hardly notices.

it is not about agreeing or disagreeing with him, it is rather about paying him some lip service. FPM needs to master these games if the party wants to make it in the Lebanese swamps and quick sands.

we have nothing to gain by publicly opposing the patriarch and we have alot to lose by confronting him, let's do what everybody else does, let's give him lip service and proceed with our political plans as usual.

same goes for the president. FPM seems to be very gullible in these matters.

I think its not only with the patriarch we should play such a game but also with all our opponents, we malhesloun infront of the tv and in reality we do what we have to do without listening to them when we disagree with them. Infront of the public eyes, people will see how much we are sofisticated and listens and dont attack and those things but in between we move forward and we have an action plan that we making happened. That will be the role of our politicians but as members, we would show the media every time we feel social infairness from any of their ministers. I think in that way we will have shown that we are good and in the same time, we are showing the world that they are bad with their own ministers with their laws.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by geogeo758

I honestly think all major Christian parties should reconcile with the Patriarch! PERIOD! As Christians we can't remain divided, its just destroying us! Look at Junblat now allying with Nabih Berri, whose probably dealing with Hariri under the table as well. Soon enough they will make a unified alliance with Hezbollah and what will we Christians have left...nothing, but divided parties who can't agree on anything! We honestly need to unite as Christians to maintain a say in the government and in Lebanon as a whole.

HA already tried the Loyalists and they cant be trusted.

[agnostic]

there are 2 faces for the patriarch:
- the political: people have full right to oppose the patriarch in appropriate way.
- the religious: this is the business of the church and not of the politics. however you can pinpoint on the fact that the patriarch uses his religious position to play the role of a referee in politics while he is not neutral but a member of the feb 14th filty group

en résumé, attacks on the patriarch should concern his political stances and his role as a referee.

[FPM_JOHNNY]

you know i bet my life the Bishops want him removed more than we do. The old man doesn;t quit. He is senile.

[Bazek]

let him live and die with his hate, God will judge him with a one way ticket to hell for working hard to divide his community

[sandraman]

i remember like 2 years ago, we were having lunch with a person who was very close to bishops and we were talking about the patriarch and why he hates Michel Aoun, the guy seriously answered: because Michel Aoun is a real threat on his christian leasdership that he enjoyed during the exile of Aoun and Gemayel and geagea in prison. The patriarch is enjoying politics "till the bone" and he became involved into it to the degree that he neglected the religious affairs of the maronite Church . he likes to meet politicians and not Monks, i think he Patriarch was looking to become like bishop Makarious of Cyprus, yaani ......

[vicking]

Patriarch Sfeir was the worst in Lebanon history, under his reign... Christian were really divided :

1/ He played with Geagea against Aoun in 1989
2/ He signed TAEF against the majority of Christian
3/ He is now selling lands :
- He sold the "3azarieh" school in Ashrafieh to Saudi
- He sold the "Nazareth Couvent" to Saudi
- Something fishy about some lands in Mar Chayya

4/ He is full of hate toward the General
5/ He got influenced by Hariri when selecting a list of President...

He is the worst Patriarch we had, the Church is divided because of him.

He must resign NOW.

[dyyyy]

i think the best thing we can do is complain to the vatican ambassador in lebanon,
it will shouw that yes we have a problem with the patriarch but we respect the church and its hierarchy, and if you remember when bchara raii wanted to excommunicate us (:D:D sorry i can't hold myself on this one) the ambassador quickly halndled it