The Patriarch openly backing 14 March in Kesserwen

[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by Chief

First, did u read the 3rd republic program ? If yes, which i highly doubt, please get me one sentence that marginalizes the christians even more.

Whenever someone or the medias ask FPM about the third republic they give ambiguous answers and sugar coat it with empty slogans. Until now I didn t heard a concrete explanation about it. But since there s a written program about it , yalla convince me and send it to me i ll read it with pleasure. According to many analysts the third republic project is nothing more than a new repartition of constitutional powers between the sects , a division between Shiites, Sunnis, and Christians thus the latters will have 1/3 of the share while in taef the division was made 50/50 between Christians and Muslims in general.

Originally Posted by Chief

Second, the 3rd republic is purely made or proposed by FPM whereas taef was imposed by rafic el hariri and KSA

It s odd how you didn t even mention Syria , when we all know that is mainly the Syrians who imposed Taef on us and how they did it (13 October).
On a side note the 3 rd republic project is very probably more the HA led opposition project rather than purely FPM project.

Originally Posted by Chief

Third history is not repeating itself since in the 90's Michel aoun was the head of the state and GeaGea was a militia leader. Nowadays, Michel aoun is again a major player with a probablity of getting 35 MPs whereas Geagea has barely 8 candidates.

What "head of state" are we talking about ? Aoun has barely the control of Metn and the Baabda he was heading 40 % of the army s personel (90 % of them were Christians) and he had a "government" of 5 ministers who were in reality his generals, according to your actual allies Aoun was back then a "rebel". On the other side what s the interest of having 35 MP s when we know that from end to end constitute the Christian cover of Hizbullah

Originally Posted by Chief

Fourth, if till now you didnt realize that michel aoun can not be bought, than I advise you to go read some history and some books about Aoun, but definetly not books written by ghourab saker and the alikes.

in the past i thought he could nt be bought but today i don t trust the guy anymore. A politician who does a 180 degrees change can be easily bought w fehmak kfeye.

[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by Chief

Fifth, go back to #1 and answer me so we can continue the discussion. Tnx

And what is #1 ?

[Chief]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

hmmmm....five replies....but not a single one refute our claim for a total win in Beirut 1!! it's not about the messenger guys!! focus...focus...Ahsrafieh will never vote for "Thank you Syria" crowd. Ashrafieh will never reward allies of SSNPers......we are in every building and every street in Ashrafieh. Do not interpret our sacrifice for an MP running in Beirut 1 as a sign of weakness...walaw.. didn't you learn anything from HA and you shared their tents more than 40 days!!
Elie

How can anyone refute a supposition? ba3den anybody told you that ashrafiye will vote for "Leave them, these are our allies"? or anybody told you that ashrafiyeh will vote for a list headed by the FM, where the majority of its members are FM and where its sole decision is in koraytem?

[Chief]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

Whenever someone or the medias ask FPM about the third republic they give ambiguous answers and sugar coat it with empty slogans. Until now I didn t heard a concrete explanation about it. But since there s a written program about it , yalla convince me and send it to me i ll read it with pleasure. According to many analysts the third republic project is nothing more than a new repartition of constitutional powers between the sects , a division between Shiites, Sunnis, and Christians thus the latters will have 1/3 of the share while in taef the division was made 50/50 between Christians and Muslims in general.

It s odd how you didn t even mention Syria , when we all know that is mainly the Syrians who imposed Taef on us and how they did it (13 October).
On a side note the 3 rd republic project is very probably more the HA led opposition project rather than purely FPM project.

What "head of state" are we talking about ? Aoun has barely the control of Metn and the Baabda he was heading 40 % of the army s personel (90 % of them were Christians) and he had a "government" of 5 ministers who were in reality his generals, according to your actual allies Aoun was back then a "rebel". On the other side what s the interest of having 35 MP s when we know that from end to end constitute the Christian cover of Hizbullah

in the past i thought he could nt be bought but today i don t trust the guy anymore. A politician who does a 180 degrees change can be easily bought w fehmak kfeye.

ya3ne how can i have a debate with someone who is not aware that in the 90s michel aoun was the legitimate ruling PM and not only the controller of some regions.

ba3den go read the thrid republic and then get back to this thread. as much as you dont trust michel aoun, you shouldnt be trusting analysts.

btw, in order for you to know what are the benefits of having 35 MPs I advise you to read this precise and concise article:http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/136725

Finally concerning syria, you want it plain and simple? well here you go: el nizam el soure akbar akhou sharmou*a bass houwe b 7alo w nehna b 7alna w fehmak kamen kfeye

[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by Chief

ya3ne how can i have a debate with someone who is not aware that in the 90s michel aoun was the legitimate ruling PM and not only the controller of some regions.

7abibe go check the archives of the 90s, and you ll see that Aoun was considered a "rebel" (especially by your actual allies) while the Taef government was considered "legitimate" . On a side note, despite the fact that back then we were supporting GMA, how could he consider himself that he represented the Lebanese state and the shar3ieh while he has 5 ministers all of them Christians and around 40% of the army (90% of them Christians).

Originally Posted by Chief

ba3den go read the thrid republic and then get back to this thread. as much as you dont trust michel aoun, you shouldnt be trusting analysts.

khayye as i told you earlier i want to read it and know what s about but where can we find this written program about it. You don t want us to trust analysts ok, I wanted an explanation from Aoun about this project, lately I watched the interview on al jazeera, the Egyptian journalist asked Aoun about 4 times to explain what he means by third republic but each time he was escaping the question and was telling the usual bla bla about "isla7" and "fighting corruption" ya3ne nothing clear.

Originally Posted by Chief

btw, in order for you to know what are the benefits of having 35 MPs I advise you to read this precise and concise article:إذا Ù�از الجميّل ـــ جعجع، ÙŠØ*كم الØ*ريري ـــ جنبلاط ÙˆØ*دهما | جريدة الأخبار

We all know that al akhbar is biased... they explain that in case the loyalists will have the majority the 14 march Christian parties will have only 1/4 of the seats while on the assumption that the HA led opposition wins the FPM and cronies will have half of the seats , fair enough... the akhbar writer wants to tell us that withg the 8 march coalition there s a "sharaka" but what he doesn t mention is that during the last years we had a sample of what kind of "sharaka" we re talking about , the "sharaka" where you don t have a say when HA wages a war that concerns the whole lebanese people , when if you do something or take a decision that does not please HA they hit the streets and target you with their weapons. No thanks, I even prefer to have 5 or 0 MPs rather than living in a country under that kind of collaboration.
You can have 35 or even 50 MP s for all i care what is their interest since I believe they re nothing but a Christian cover of HA . As i said earlier what s the interest of having 35 MPs when they wont have a say in front of HA which is finally the main issue of the country.

Originally Posted by Chief

Finally concerning syria, you want it plain and simple? well here you go: el nizam el soure akbar akhou sharmou*a bass houwe b 7alo w nehna b 7alna w fehmak kamen kfeye

Hala2 are you really taking people for fools ? do you really believe that when itheir troops left , the Syrians forgot about Lebanon , that they don t have any relations or influence with their local allies, that Lebanon is not part anymore of their agenda ? if you want to close your eyes and believe that it s true well it s your choice but at least understand that many people will refuse to act that way.

[Amirkani]

The 3rd Republic is upon us... nkeyeh billi ma baddo.

Yalli ma baddo are none other than those who will be stopped by the 3rd Republic from stealing and controlling people's lives... including Batrak, iza fi 7ada ba3d ma fehem.

The people will be controlling the Batrak's and the politicians' behavior, no longer the other way around.

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[NEVER_BACK_DOWN]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

7abibe go check the archives of the 90s, and you ll see that Aoun was considered a "rebel" (especially by your actual allies) while the Taef government was considered "legitimate" .

Ya Sailormoon
Come down to earth and ask Ammouna il jagal when he was the president what did he do before he leave the presidential palace 1988

khayye as i told you earlier i want to read it and know what s about but where can we find this written program about it. You don t want us to trust analysts ok, I wanted an explanation from Aoun about this project, lately I watched the interview on al jazeera, the Egyptian journalist asked Aoun about 4 times to explain what he means by third republic but each time he was escaping the question and was telling the usual bla bla about "isla7" and "fighting corruption" ya3ne nothing clear.

Balla ma tetzekah if you go to tayyar.org you will see the 3rd republic program

We all know that al akhbar is biased... they explain that in case the loyalists will have the majority the 14 march Christian parties will have only 1/4 of the seats while on the assumption that the HA led opposition wins the FPM and cronies will have half of the seats , fair enough... the akhbar writer wants to tell us that withg the 8 march coalition there s a "sharaka" but what he doesn t mention is that during the last years we had a sample of what kind of "sharaka" we re talking about , the "sharaka" where you don t have a say when HA wages a war that concerns the whole lebanese people , when if you do something or take a decision that does not please HA they hit the streets and target you with their weapons. No thanks, I even prefer to have 5 or 0 MPs rather than living in a country under that kind of collaboration.
You can have 35 or even 50 MP s for all i care what is their interest since I believe they re nothing but a Christian cover of HA . As i said earlier what s the interest of having 35 MPs when they wont have a say in front of HA which is finally the main issue of the country.

Jean aziz was talking numbers , as for HA they hit the streets and target you with their weapons , give an example that they pointed a gun to you, they lost 7 souls in mar mekhail and nothing happened , I think your a bit confused between HA and your allies that destroyed Ashrafieh feb 05 2006Hala2 are you really taking people for fools ? do you really believe that when itheir troops left , the Syrians forgot about Lebanon , that they don t have any relations or influence with their local allies, that Lebanon is not part anymore of their agenda ? if you want to close your eyes and believe that it s true well it s your choice but at least understand that many people will refuse to act that way.

Go ask the President this question !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amirkani]

3ashra bi 3youn el-7assideen wil fassideen:

THE 3RD REPUBLIC IS COMING!

If anyone thinks misst7iyyeen fiya lal 3rd Republic, gholtaneen kteer. 3a rass el-sate7!

Let me put it this way: if there is no 3rd Republic, I will be the 1st one to quit FPM. I didn't waste 20 years of my life to see the Lebanese renew the mandate of those who instituted the 2nd Republic.

The Lebanese will not renew the term of the 2nd Republic. And whoever does, bi koun ya ghasheem ya 7arameh...

And, as the saying goes, el-ghasheem khay el-7arameh!

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[FrEe_LeB]

the Lebanese proverb that the campaign is referencing: “al-thaalitha thaabita” (or in Lebanese colloquial: el telteh sebteh)

[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by NEVER_BACK_DOWN

Go ask the President this question !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1st- I know that Amine Gemayel named Aoun as an interim minister , but remember that half of the Lebanese (namely the majority of the Muslims) considered this nomination as ilegal, thus the creation of the Hoss government. In 1989 after the Taef agreement Aoun was considered as a "rebel" while Hrawi, Lahoud, Berri, Hoss and the parliament (deputies who in fact were elected in 1972) were representing the "shar3ieh". It s not that I agree with it, but that is the official version.

2nd- I went to tayyar.org and I read "bernemej el tayyar: na7wa el joumhouriya al thalitha" which was nothing but FPM s program of reforms , and contains points such as agricultural reforms , educational, economical etc... but in any place there is a clear explanation about the third republic.
What I want to know is what will be the constitutional change in the III republic its differences with the IInd and the Ist , its sectarian repartition , and its position towards main issues such as HA s weapons, the Palestinians etc...

3- HA has hit the streets the 7 of may 2007 ,the message of their mini civil war was : "we have the power to storm any place in this country if you mess with us , we ll hit the streets and use our weapons against you if you take any decision that doesn t please us" on the 7 of may it was the Beirut Sunnis , tomorrow, for a reason or another it may be you.