Opposition Losing Patience With GMA?

[ElieEk]

Guys 3omron ma yerja3o bi 7ayetna ma sa2alna 3an 7ada wala ra7 nes2al !! We didn't have any problem in the last 15 years when we were alone sooo forget about them!! if they want to go with us in the change and reform plan 1000 ahla w sahla and if not 60 sene w 70 yom w sour el sin ktir kbir

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

ecce homo,

I think that the Syrians would like for GMA to take his orders from them. But obviously, it hasn't worked so well. GMA is very independent-minded, and his followers are (for the most part) very suspicious of and hostile toward the idea of Syrian meddling in Lebanese affairs.

But that doesn't mean that Syria is not going to TRY to send him a message by using Wiam Wahhab and Suleiman Frangieh and whatever else they want, to get him to play by their rules.

That was the point of this thread: to discuss the extent to which the OPPOSITION is losing patience with GMA, and not the extent to which the opposition is JUSTIFIED or not in losing patience with anyone.

It's simply a matter of trying to intepret recent developments and statements in the press, and wondering whether they suggest that Syria is trying to pressure the FPM into accepting Hariri's deal.

To me, it's obvious that this is what is going on. Why is this so controversial? :)

Nothing controversial... Syria could try to pass a message thru its allies, but at the end GMA got what he asked for. Syria had to pressure their new friends the Saudis to put some pressure on Hariri to give up the energy ministry also. FPM got what it wanted.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by John A

If you know GMA's history, you wouldn't post such thing. GMA can't be influenced by anyone. if it was the case, Syria would have pushed on GMA to accept any offer from Hariri, and got the government formed, then send it as a gift to KSA.
Frangieh, Wahhab and all the others know that well. believe me they wouldn't do such a horrible mistake by addressing GMA this way. GMA was an army commander, and he's not used to take orders from anyone. and if someone is losing patience, GMA would tel him to find the nearest wall, and hit his head with.

John,

I know a thing or two about GMA's history, trust me. ;)

And I'm not saying that he is necessarily going to accept the "order" or "suggestion" or whatever you want to call it, from Syria.

But I definitely don't think that anyone is afraid to address GMA in this way. Do you really believe that people are so afraid of him? :)

You forget that, like it or not, you guys need the rest of the opposition too. If you really were free to go your own way without any kind of political consequences, you would have walked away from this process a long time ago. Aoun needs the rest of the opposition to remain politically viable in the executive branch. He tried sitting out in the opposition, and it was mightly lonely until Hizbullah and AMAL joined you guys.

So, yes, while Aoun is independent-minded, I think that he makes political calculations like everyone else.

[Qifa Nabki]

ecce homo,

I am not privy to the discussions between Syria and Saudi, Saudi and Hariri, Syria and Aoun, etc. So I can't speculate as to whether the pressure was put on Hariri or Aoun or both.

What it looks like to me was that an issue that was at the forefront of all the talk about the cabinet (Gebran Bassil as Telecom Minister) for nearly five months has now been resolved through the mediation of Syria's allies.

But at the end of the day, who cares, right? As long as Bassil is minister of something, then the 5 months were worth it. ;)

Just teasing!

[Abou Sandal]

This thread is going nowhere...Quite understandable since it started nowhere on planet Earth, at the first place.

It's all based on a "shallow impression", not backed by anything tangible, and whose author insists, no matter what everyone says or argues, on picturing it as if it was an "undeniable fact". That's if I want to interpret it from a positive angle...

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

This thread is going nowhere...Quite understandable since it started nowhere on planet Earth, at the first place.

It's all based on a "shallow impression", not backed by anything tangible, and whose author insist, no matter what everyone says or argues, on picturing it as if it was an "undeniable fact". That's if I want to interpret it from a positive angle...

Let's wait and see what happens. ;) Then we can discuss whose impressions were shallow or not.

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

ecce homo,

I am not privy to the discussions between Syria and Saudi, Saudi and Hariri, Syria and Aoun, etc. So I can't speculate as to whether the pressure was put on Hariri or Aoun or both.

What it looks like to me was that an issue that was at the forefront of all the talk about the cabinet (Gebran Bassil as Telecom Minister) for nearly five months has now been resolved through the mediation of Syria's allies.

But at the end of the day, who cares, right? As long as Bassil is minister of something, then the 5 months were worth it. ;)

Just teasing!

impressive conclusion!

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Let's wait and see what happens. ;) Then we can discuss whose impressions were shallow or not.

GENERAL will get what suits the C&R and our size.

till that happens all the ta7lelat about pressures,etc...are


RANTINGS OF AN ANT.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Let's wait and see what happens. ;) Then we can discuss whose impressions were shallow or not.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that you are entitled to your own impressions and opinions.

And we would also be entitled to judge whether those impressions are based on real facts, or on mere extrapolations, built on unfounded interpretations and in contradiction with real facts.

Anyway, I usually like to discuss politics...And in this thread, I see not, and nothing substantial to discuss.

Yet I find myself obliged to participate, for anyone reading this thread to understand this:

This thread does not discuss or present facts. It's all about someone who all of the sudden and out of nowhere, got an impression, and opened this thread to present it, as if it was a fact. And he insists on it no matter what, without even acknowledging that first and foremost...It's all about some impression.

"THIS IS ONLY MY IMPRESSION" : That is what your whole approach of the subject lacked and is still lacking.

Should you have started from this point forward, you would have had a better credibility.

0.02$

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Let's wait and see if Bassil takes the Energy Ministry. If he does, I promise to pretend like it wasn't the Syrians who "influenced" GMA, and that he came up with the idea on his own. ;)

Haha Anything to discredit GMA.
Really, you belong to the famous group of ''depressed people''.

We got Bassil, we got the Telecom.
End of the story.

Ya khayyeh badna n7otto la Bassil wazire dawle, Into shou khaskon?

Did they ask from any other party to put this or that, why is it always us?

Having the Telecom and the Energy Minsitry, we already won.
The rest ''elfrafite'' won't add much.

As for Sleiman Bek, lets' assume he doesn't share exactly the same views with GMA reagarding the formation of government.

So what?

Nothing will affect this relation between the two men, or the clear harmony between the partisans of the two parties.

So you can relax and think more about the reasons which pushed Marouni to say '' Congratulations Michel Aoun''.