Opposition Losing Patience With GMA?

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by John A

I can't build an argument over illusions (the way you did).

Politics is not played this way, opposition members can't be just fed up of GMA that simply, they are all fighting the same war. And honestly, if it wasn't for GMA, Opposition wouldn't get more than 6 ministers.

John,

Answer the question: if Wahhab was not addressing GMA, who was he addressing?

And I disagree with you: the opposition members are NOT all fighting the same war. Everybody has his own interest... that should be obvious to the FPM of ALL parties.

And given that M14 agreed very early on to adhere to the 15-10-5 formula, the rest of the opposition doesn't really care that much about what C&R gets or doesn't get. As long as you agree to join the government under this formula, they could care less if Gebran Bassil was minister of telecoms or energy.

Wahhab, in my opinion, was sending a clear signal (from Damascus) that Hariri's latest offer was fine and that March8 should accept it and move on. Now, you are perfectly entitled to loathing Damascus and Wiam Wahhab and anyone that you want, but that's a different issue.

In Lebanon, this is exactly how "politics is played".

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by X

You didn't get my point, what i am saying is, IF there is anyone in the opposition who has a problem with GMA because of the government formation crises, he can go bang his head to the wall

Okay. :)

Now, will you address the question of the thread? "Is the opposition losing its patience with GMA?"

Just say: "Yes" or "No" or "I don't know" or "Frankly my dear, I don't give a ****."

:)

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

ecce homo and X,

I agree with you guys, because your responses are intellectually honest.

You seem to agree (or at least you don't disagree) that there may be differences of opinion between GMA and the rest of the opposition, and that this may end up having some influence on the cabinet deal going forward. (In the same way that Geagea and Gemayel had differences with Hariri over the last proposal that he submitted -- they rejected it).

This is the only point I'm trying to make.

Dude, how many times shall one repeat it for you to understand it, that your "interpretation" of the notion of "diversity of opinions" (should there be any, and especially in this specific topic) and the far fetched conclusions that you're building up, based on your false interpretation, are wrong, misplaced, misleading and unsubstantiated by evidence.

Change that tune will you...It's either you're here to discuss and interact with other, in that case, show us good evidences, or you're just here to repeat a loyalist song, over and over again...In that case, it's boring and will lead you nowhere. Your call.

[X]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Okay. :)

Now, will you address the question of the thread? "Is the opposition losing its patience with GMA?"

Just say: "Yes" or "No" or "I don't know" or "Frankly my dear, I don't give a ****."

:)

Frankly my dear, I don't give a ****.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Dude, how many times shall one repeat it for you to understand it, that your interpretation of the notion of "diversity of opinions" (should there be any, and especially in this specific topic) and the far fetched conclusions that you're building up, based on your false interpretation, are wrong, misplaced, misleading and unsubstantiated by evidence.

Change that tune will you...It's either you're here to discuss and interact with other, in that case, show us good evidences, or you're just here to repeat a loyalist song, over and over again...In that case, it's boring and will lead you nowhere. Your call.

Abou Sandal,

When Wi'am Wahhab -- a certified Syrian mouthpiece -- goes on Nharkon Sa3eed and says very clearly: "I think that Gebran Bassil should take the Energy Ministry and drop the Telecoms" and that enough demands had been met by Saad Hariri, and that there is no real reason any more to hold up the formation of the government ... that strikes me as very significant.

It is not a question of a "diversity of opinions". Wiam Wahhab is not some independent philosopher, ya zalameh. :) Come on, who are you kidding? He is an opposition pit bull and a messenger from Bashar. That's his job. That's his cache. He doesn't have an electoral base. His role is very clear: convey the Syrian message in Lebanon.

And right now, the Syrian message being conveyed is: shbi3na 7akeh, masshou l-7ukumeh, w bas.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Hello everyone,

This thread has generated some very interesting responses, from the usual paranoia to suggestions that the Orange Room BAN Qifa Nabki? :) Little over the top, no?

Calm down people. I'm not a March 14-lover, nor am I an FPMer. []

With regard to this thread, it was NOT MY FAULT that the moderators stripped out all of the links to the sources that I was quoting. I will provide them again now.

1. Aoun's comment about Frangieh: To me, it's quite clear that there is a rift between the two men, since GMA seems extremely annoyed that Frangieh dropped his demand.

2. Wi'am Wahhab's comments about GMA: First, he praises Saad Hariri for his offer to GMA. (Yes, that's right, Wahhab is praising Hariri, which can only mean that Damascus is satisfied). Second, he says that the issue has been solved and there should be no more demands. Third, he says "ba3d mandayyi3 al-nas bi-tafasil teneh, ana mish ma3 hada l-mawdou3".

So, yes, Wahhab was basically saying that if GMA does not take this deal, it will amount to "endayyi3 al-nas bi-tafasil".

As for Berri, I agree that perhaps his little camp-out is more of a frustration with Hariri, so you may be right about that.

Now, I understand those of you complaining about "what has the opposition done for us over the past 2-3 years?" But that's a different issue. Whether you like them or not, they are your allies, and the point of this thread was to ask whether or not your allies are losing patience with your leader's demands.

No need to get combative. It's a simple question backed up by evidence from recent statements in the press.

yet nothing is as typical ur post with a wisecracking connect-the-dots game that doesnt match

if u can't understand what was said on those vids u posted and u come here preaching then u deserve all things that come to ya lol

u read bs in those vids that wasn't there

end of story

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

yet nothing is as typical ur post with a wisecracking connect-the-dots game that doesnt match

if u can't understand what was said on those vids u posted and u come here preaching then u deserve all things that come to ya lol

u read bs in those vids that wasn't there

end of story

When did the Orange Room become a debate-free zone where solid arguments are forbidden? :)

This used to be a forum where people actually exchanged ideas and debated each other. Nowadays, all you seem to do is insult people whose opinion you disagree with and yet cannot find a proper argument to respond with.

Pity.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

John,

Answer the question: if Wahhab was not addressing GMA, who was he addressing?

And I disagree with you: the opposition members are NOT all fighting the same war. Everybody has his own interest... that should be obvious to the FPM of ALL parties.

And given that M14 agreed very early on to adhere to the 15-10-5 formula, the rest of the opposition doesn't really care that much about what C&R gets or doesn't get. As long as you agree to join the government under this formula, they could care less if Gebran Bassil was minister of telecoms or energy.

Wahhab, in my opinion, was sending a clear signal (from Damascus) that Hariri's latest offer was fine and that March8 should accept it and move on. Now, you are perfectly entitled to loathing Damascus and Wiam Wahhab and anyone that you want, but that's a different issue.

In Lebanon, this is exactly how "politics is played".

I think he was addressing the loyalists.

Look, If Syria wants to send a message to GMA, they won't wait for Wi2am Wahhab to go on TV and do it. LOL.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by John A

I think he was addressing the loyalists.

Look, If Syria wants to send a message to GMA, they won't wait for Wi2am Wahhab to go on TV and do it. LOL.

You're probably right. What they would likely do is also summon Gebran to Damascus to have a little chat.

Oh wait, they did that too.

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

You're probably right. What they would likely do is also summon Gebran to Damascus to have a little chat.

Oh wait, they did that too.

Do you really mean that GMA is taking his orders from Syria?