Opposition Losing Patience With GMA?

[Qifa Nabki]

Hello everyone,

This thread has generated some very interesting responses, from the usual paranoia to suggestions that the Orange Room BAN Qifa Nabki? :) Little over the top, no?

Calm down people. I'm not a March 14-lover, nor am I an FPMer. []

With regard to this thread, it was NOT MY FAULT that the moderators stripped out all of the links to the sources that I was quoting. I will provide them again now.

1. Aoun's comment about Frangieh: To me, it's quite clear that there is a rift between the two men, since GMA seems extremely annoyed that Frangieh dropped his demand.

2. Wi'am Wahhab's comments about GMA: First, he praises Saad Hariri for his offer to GMA. (Yes, that's right, Wahhab is praising Hariri, which can only mean that Damascus is satisfied). Second, he says that the issue has been solved and there should be no more demands. Third, he says "ba3d mandayyi3 al-nas bi-tafasil teneh, ana mish ma3 hada l-mawdou3".

So, yes, Wahhab was basically saying that if GMA does not take this deal, it will amount to "endayyi3 al-nas bi-tafasil".

As for Berri, I agree that perhaps his little camp-out is more of a frustration with Hariri, so you may be right about that.

Now, I understand those of you complaining about "what has the opposition done for us over the past 2-3 years?" But that's a different issue. Whether you like them or not, they are your allies, and the point of this thread was to ask whether or not your allies are losing patience with your leader's demands.

No need to get combative. It's a simple question backed up by evidence from recent statements in the press.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by X

Mni7 GMA didn't send his men to shoot army helicopters or stab to death opposition members in Chiyeh

Yelli beyto men elneylon, ma yersho2 byout el 3alam bl 7jar

I rest my case.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Hello everyone,

This thread has generated some very interesting responses, from the usual paranoia to suggestions that the Orange Room BAN Qifa Nabki? :) Little over the top, no?

Calm down people. I'm not a March 14-lover, nor am I an FPMer. []

With regard to this thread, it was NOT MY FAULT that the moderators stripped out all of the links to the sources that I was quoting. I will provide them again now.

1. Aoun's comment about Frangieh: To me, it's quite clear that there is a rift between the two men, since GMA seems extremely annoyed that Frangieh dropped his demand.

2. Wi'am Wahhab's comments about GMA: First, he praises Saad Hariri for his offer to GMA. (Yes, that's right, Wahhab is praising Hariri, which can only mean that Damascus is satisfied). Second, he says that the issue has been solved and there should be no more demands. Third, he says "ba3d mandayyi3 al-nas bi-tafasil teneh, ana mish ma3 hada l-mawdou3".

So, yes, Wahhab was basically saying that if GMA does not take this deal, it will amount to "endayyi3 al-nas bi-tafasil".

As for Berri, I agree that perhaps his little camp-out is more of a frustration with Hariri, so you may be right about that.

Now, I understand those of you complaining about "what has the opposition done for us over the past 2-3 years?" But that's a different issue. Whether you like them or not, they are your allies, and the point of this thread was to ask whether or not your allies are losing patience with your leader's demands.

No need to get combative. It's a simple question backed up by evidence from recent statements in the press.

Are you serious dude ? do you really call what u posted as "evidence" ?

The evidence is something clear, not a personal analysis.

Listen again to GMA's press conference, or you can simply read it (i posted it earlier in this thread).

As for wi2am wahhab, i don't know how you have concluded that he was addressing GMA. eno come on dude, that was really funny. make sure you follow Lebanese politics more to understand what's going on. I won't be surprised if the next day you talk about how FPM is attacking GMA

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by John A

Are you serious dude ? do you really call what u posted as "evidence" ?

The evidence is something clear, not a personal analysis.

Listen again to GMA's press conference, or you can simply read it (i posted it earlier in this thread).

As for wi2am wahhab, i don't know how you have concluded that he was addressing GMA. eno come on dude, that was really funny. make sure you follow Lebanese politics more to understand what's going on. I won't be surprised if the next day you talk about how FPM is attacking GMA

John,

You haven't exactly provided an argument. All you've said is: Are you serious dude?

With regard to Frangieh, GMA clearly said that he dropped his demand, and that pretty soon we're going to be down to three seats. I think it's quite obvious that the two men don't see eye to eye. Why else would Frangieh make life easier for Hariri, if he was on the same page as GMA?

As for Wahhab, who do you think he was addressing? The ghost of Hafez al-Assad?

He clearly said: I don't think that there's any reason for us to remain without a government anymore. Hariri made a positive step by offering the Energy Ministry. Why can't Bassil take that one, and forget about Telecoms?

How much clearer do you need it to be? :)

If he's not addressing GMA, then who is he addressing?

[ecce homo]

Qifa

I won’t go into details with you about who said what… We both know (and GMA said it a couple of weeks ago) that the main problem is that the major part of those involved are taking orders from the outside (both loyalists and opposition).

So if some allies wants to serve Syria’s interest that's their problem. The FPM and GMA has its own demands and those who call themselves FPM’s allies should know where the FPM and GMA stands.

So frankly I don't care if they are losing patience, I didn't during 20 years, so why should I, because 5 months has passed?

Finally when those allies lose their patience it only shows the integrity of GMA and the FPM. When the loyalist’s media try to score a point against GMA with this news then it only shows how bankrupt and disillusioned they are.

[X]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

I rest my case.

I seriously don't care what Wahab is saying, nor what Franjiyeh is saying or doing, they all can go and form a government without FPM if they want, but if they want FPM to be part of the government, it is not their God damned business who FPM is going to appoint as ministers, not Hariri and KSA, nor Wahab and Syria, nor Hezbollah and Iran, nor Geagea and Sfeir, no one can have a 1% saying in who we choose as ministers.

mesh 3ejebon? let them go form a government without FPM.

[TTT1]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

Three developments in the past couple of days have signaled that we may indeed be nearing the end of Lebanon’s five-month stretch without a government.

1) As reported earlier, Suleiman Frangieh — the leader of the Marada party, and a member of the Change & Reform Bloc — expressed his annoyance with the fact that Aoun has kept changing his demands vis-à-vis which portfolios would be granted to C&R.

Originally, this story was only reported in the pro-March 14 media, but Aoun himself made a scornful comment about Frangieh in his press conference yesterday, so I think that rumors of a rift between the two men are probably accurate.

2) Staunchly pro-Syrian former minister Wi’am Wahhab was on TV yesterday, expressly calling for Aoun to quit messing the Lebanese people around and take the deal that Hariri was offering, namely that Aoun’s son-in-law Gebran Bassil would become Minister of Energy rather than Telecommunications. Usually, when Wi’am Wahhab speaks, you can assume the message is coming from Damascus.

...

3) Finally, Nabih Berri is threatening to launch a one-man sit-in at the Parliament if the cabinet crisis is not resolved soon.

To sum up, then: Suleiman Bek, Wi’am Wahhab, and Nabih Berri are all getting fed up of the stalemate, and two of them have directed their ire at their own ally, Michel Aoun.

What do FPMers think of this?

Cheers,
QN

Your analysis or assumptions are totally pure void. You either lack of a good overview reading or analysis of the political scenery.
Be sure that the opposition is VERY UNITED behind GMA no matter what ANYONE may say, They ALL believe GMA's demands as totally true and fair ....
So, to conclude, when I talk opposition allies , I talk about SF, HA and Amal. All the others names and people or parties are clueless to what is happening and/or have no weight (and to be true I don't really care of whatever they have to say).
Follow the news.....

[Qifa Nabki]

ecce homo and X,

I agree with you guys, because your responses are intellectually honest.

You seem to agree (or at least you don't disagree) that there may be differences of opinion between GMA and the rest of the opposition, and that this may end up having some influence on the cabinet deal going forward. (In the same way that Geagea and Gemayel had differences with Hariri over the last proposal that he submitted -- they rejected it).

This is the only point I'm trying to make.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

John,

You haven't exactly provided an argument. All you've said is: Are you serious dude?

With regard to Frangieh, GMA clearly said that he dropped his demand, and that pretty soon we're going to be down to three seats. I think it's quite obvious that the two men don't see eye to eye. Why else would Frangieh make life easier for Hariri, if he was on the same page as GMA?

As for Wahhab, who do you think he was addressing? The ghost of Hafez al-Assad?

He clearly said: I don't think that there's any reason for us to remain without a government anymore. Hariri made a positive step by offering the Energy Ministry. Why can't Bassil take that one, and forget about Telecoms?

How much clearer do you need it to be? :)

If he's not addressing GMA, then who is he addressing?

I can't build an argument over illusions (the way you did).

Politics is not played this way, opposition members can't be just fed up of GMA that simply, they are all fighting the same war. And honestly, if it wasn't for GMA, Opposition wouldn't get more than 6 ministers.

[X]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

ecce homo and X,

I agree with you guys, because your responses are intellectually honest.

You seem to agree (or at least you don't disagree) that there may be differences of opinion between GMA and the rest of the opposition, and that this may end up having some influence on the cabinet deal going forward. (In the same way that Geagea and Gemayel had differences with Hariri over the last proposal that he submitted -- they rejected it).

This is the only point I'm trying to make.

You didn't get my point, what i am saying is, IF there is anyone in the opposition who has a problem with GMA because of the government formation crises, he can go bang his head to the wall