Opposition Losing Patience With GMA?

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

ecce homo,

I am not privy to the discussions between Syria and Saudi, Saudi and Hariri, Syria and Aoun, etc. So I can't speculate as to whether the pressure was put on Hariri or Aoun or both.

What it looks like to me was that an issue that was at the forefront of all the talk about the cabinet (Gebran Bassil as Telecom Minister) for nearly five months has now been resolved through the mediation of Syria's allies.

But at the end of the day, who cares, right? As long as Bassil is minister of something, then the 5 months were worth it. ;)

Just teasing!

I don't mind

Here's a teaser for you: Why didn't Hariri accept Aoun's offer from the beginning (finance + 4 state ministers)? It could have a deal between Hariri and C&R block only, no need for the disputes between Aoun and the Christian loyalist, no Bassil and so on... a much simpler solution and it all would have been over in a couple of weeks.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

I don't mind

Here's a teaser for you: Why didn't Hariri accept Aoun's offer from the beginning (finance + 4 state ministers)? It could have a deal between Hariri and C&R block only, no need for the disputes between Aoun and the Christian loyalist, no Bassil and so on... a much simpler solution and it all would have been over in a couple of weeks.

Now you're being cheeky. :)

The finance ministry is considered by M14 to be the exclusive domain of the Hariri patronage machine, and Aoun knows it... which is exactly why he made that offer, because he knew that Hariri would never accept it.

To me, the real question is why people haven't been more outraged about the whole idea of a consensus government in the first place. I am completely against such a thing, and I think it will only bring huge inefficiencies and mismanagement to Lebanon.

But that's a subject for a different post.

[Mared_3400]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

i doubt you love SF more than me

and i will tell you straight that SF lost a lot among the FPMers , especially the way he declared his list for the JUN 7 election.

SF wanted to be teh heir apparent to GENERAL and was having some success about that, but he did that mistep in jun and now he jumped a bit ahead of the game

that has spooked a lot of FPMErs, now you can argue abiut the reasons as long as you want, its your opinion.

the damage has been done, especially in the christian heartland.
SAD SO SAD, i had hoped SF will be able to spread his popularity betond batroun,...........

again, i am speaking out of sadness and with a heavy heart and mind.

Did you see Sleiman Frangieh asking for a seat in Batroun? or you think FPM represent in Zgharta more than what Marada represent in Batroun... so come one don't keep on whining like little babies about something you don't want to see.
As for the damage...I don't see any damage happened... 99% of those who were not satisfied are those who already were against Sleiman Frangieh.

[Zero Cult]

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أصدر حزب الله البيان الآتي: عقد يوم الجمعة مساء لقاء ضم كلاً من دولة رئيس مجلس النواب الاستاذ نبيه بري ورئيس تكتل التغيير والاصلاح النائب العماد ميشال عون ورئيس تيار المردة النائب سليمان فرنجية والامين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصرالله وبحضور وزير الاتصالات الاستاذ جبران باسيل والنائب الحاج علي حسن خليل والاخوين حسين الخليل والحاج وفيق صفا.
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واتفق المجتمعون على السير في تشكيل حكومة الوحدة الوطنية وفقاً للقواعد التي اتفق عليها في حصيلة المفاوضات التي جرت، آملين ان تحقق هذه الخطوة كل الخير للبنان وشعبه العزيز".

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[NMA]

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but personally as a HA supporter, i'm with GMA all the way , even if it takes a couple of years.

And I blame SH for the delays.

[G_Gibreel]

The finance ministry is considered by M14 to be the exclusive domain of the Hariri patronage machine, and Aoun knows it... which is exactly why he made that offer, because he knew that Hariri would never accept it.

If this is the real outrage then the Lebanese need to really assess what kind of country they are looking to build. A consensus government that leads to much needed stability = outrage, but rampant corruption and one of the most important ministries in a state being used as a gift for friends = normality.

QN, I think it’s time you took off those rose tinted glasses. Since the Hariri’s entered Lebanese politics they have taken the finance to be theirs, given lucrative contracts to friends and family, and buried the country in debt. Where’s your outrage here, or is it because you live in the US and don’t have to put up with the daily burdens of life in Lebanon that enables you to be so idealistic.

I for one am outraged by the horrendous level of Saudi money that ensured Hariri’s election, and the ensuing deafening silence from the West (who took the moral high ground when it came to the Iranian and Afghanistan elections). A little bit of reality from you wouldn’t go amiss. You know very well that a M14 victory was in no way down to their popularity, yet instead of being outraged at it you are outraged at forming a consensus government and shrug M14 corruption (after all the same clowns who make-up M14 threatened to start another civil war if demands for Syria to leave were not silenced) as, “well this is Lebanon you know; its expected”.

[ecce homo]

Qifa

If you assume that Syria is losing patience with Aoun and has pushed for its allies to criticize him, have you then considered why suddenly Syria has lost patience?

If you recall from the beginning Hariri asked HA to put pressure on GMA, HA didn’t and won’t. When Bashar visited KSA it was rumored that he was asked to put pressure on GMA and he didn’t. The Saudi king visited Syria and nothing happened.

Have you asked yourself then if you are right in your assumption then why now? Syria wouldn’t pressure GMA if it wasn’t for some reason. The only reason is that Syria must have been reassured by some people that the new government won’t be hostile to them, to finally accept putting pressure on GMA to solve the government issue.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by G_Gibreel

QN, I think it’s time you took off those rose tinted glasses. Since the Hariri’s entered Lebanese politics they have taken the finance to be theirs, given lucrative contracts to friends and family, and buried the country in debt. Where’s your outrage here, or is it because you live in the US and don’t have to put up with the daily burdens of life in Lebanon that enables you to be so idealistic.

I for one am outraged by the horrendous level of Saudi money that ensured Hariri’s election, and the ensuing deafening silence from the West (who took the moral high ground when it came to the Iranian and Afghanistan elections). A little bit of reality from you wouldn’t go amiss. You know very well that a M14 victory was in no way down to their popularity, yet instead of being outraged at it you are outraged at forming a consensus government and shrug M14 corruption (after all the same clowns who make-up M14 threatened to start another civil war if demands for Syria to leave were not silenced) as, “well this is Lebanon you know; its expected”.

G_Gibreel,

Umm, believe me, I'm plenty outraged. Who said I'm optimistic? Do you read my blog very frequently? :)

I'm against consensus governments because I think they are the worst of all worlds. I don't want to reproduce an argument that I've made fully in other places like here.

IF you'd like to discuss consensus governments, let's start a new thread.

[Qifa Nabki]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

Qifa

If you assume that Syria is losing patience with Aoun and has pushed for its allies to criticize him, have you then considered why suddenly Syria has lost patience?

If you recall from the beginning Hariri asked HA to put pressure on GMA, HA didn’t and won’t. When Bashar visited KSA it was rumored that he was asked to put pressure on GMA and he didn’t. The Saudi king visited Syria and nothing happened.

Have you asked yourself then if you are right in your assumption then why now? Syria wouldn’t pressure GMA if it wasn’t for some reason. The only reason is that Syria must have been reassured by some people that the new government won’t be hostile to them, to finally accept putting pressure on GMA to solve the government issue.

ecce homo,

So you agree with me that Syria was putting pressure? :)

I'm sure you're right about the reasoning behind it. Syria wants a government that is completely benign, with respect to its own interests.

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by Qifa Nabki

2) Staunchly pro-Syrian former minister Wi’am Wahhab was on TV yesterday, expressly calling for Aoun to quit messing the Lebanese people around and take the deal that Hariri was offering, namely that Aoun’s son-in-law Gebran Bassil would become Minister of Energy rather than Telecommunications. Usually, when Wi’am Wahhab speaks, you can assume the message is coming from Damascus.

Aoun gave a final approval of Gebran becoming Minister of Energy four days ago... so Wahab might have been hallucinating or he's not speaking for Syria or... Syria was not in the picture.

Just to keep things in perspective... :)

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