Open question to FPM activists: Do you accept this attitude?

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Comrade Bassam

From Jean Aziz's article today:

قبل أسابيع عدة، تعرّض مواطن من أنصار التيار الوطني الحر لما يشبه «الغزوة» على مركز عمله في وسط بيروت. الأسباب كانت إدارية بينه وبين أحد موظفيه. ومعالجته للمسألة كانت قانونية كلياً. غير أن جواب المختلف معه كان تنظيم هجوم على مركز العمل، حُطمت خلاله محتوياته واعتُدي بالضرب على بعض من كانوا فيه. وصل الخبر إلى الأجهزة الأمنية. أوقف المبادر إلى الاعتداء وتنظيم «الغزوة». بعد ثلاثة أيام أطلق سراحه، وكان أول عمل يقوم به بعد استعادته حريته أن اتصل برب عمله السابق، «العوني»، ليبلغه رسالة مختصرة: جعلتني أنام ليلتين في السجن. ولقاء ذلك سأجعلك تنام في القبر...

كبرت القضية. حاول كثيرون احتواءها، إلى أن طلب من أحد نواب تكتل التغيير والإصلاح معالجتها. أجرى النائب الوسيط سلسلة اتصالات، قبل أن يعود برسالة أكثر اختصاراً: انسوا الموضوع، واعملوا على لفلفته، فالمعتدي محميّ من شرطة المجلس النيابي...


Please nobody come tell me if Jean Aziz is sure about what he is saying or whether it's true or not. I don't care because I KNOW dozens of similar and even more dangerous stories... So khallina mastourin bi hay!

And for those who sincerely care about our (if it's still ours) great movement, you are called to take a stance in that regard. You have no right to remain silent anymore vis-a-vis such attitudes by some "2orta" who want to call themselves "tayyar" bi ekhir hal zaman!

this is not acceptable......especially coming from an ally ally.
this is not good at all
and this mp should be recalled for vomiting such stupid words.

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

I like this thread

Old staff is back to post

[Revolution1989]

Originally Posted by Comrade Bassam

The thread is not about AMAL my friend. It's about a new low political attitude by FPM's members. It's not about Amal walla gheir Amal.
Check the story above and you'll get more insight.
And don't get dragged into emotional reactions... Tawwil belak no need for generalizations :)

Wasn't there a thread about what would make you leave Lebanon (or in my case, never come back)?

It is precisely those examples!!!

And I want to emphasize CB's point above. It is not about the thughs themselves. We can ask and pray for them to become good people. They'll rarely change and it is a common problem across the world.

What is less common is a totally disfunctional state that does not have the monopoly of "internal" violence: The State should protect its citizens through security forces and judiciary system.

Not only is it not doing it (surprise, surprise), worse, FPM seems to be covering up for these shortcomings which can only encourage them...

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Revolution1989

Wasn't there a thread about what would make you leave Lebanon (or in my case, never come back)?

It is precisely those examples!!!

And I want to emphasize CB's point above. It is not about the thughs themselves. We can ask and pray for them to become good people. They'll rarely change and it is a common problem across the world.

What is less common is a totally disfunctional state that does not have the monopoly of "internal" violence: The State should protect its citizens through security forces and judiciary system.

Not only is it not doing it (surprise, surprise), worse, FPM seems to be covering up for these shortcomings which can only encourage them...

FPM is covering ? FPM ya3ni all the parti ? from head to toes ???? shou hal comment hayda ?????
who are those FPMers covering or protecting any az3ar ? give us names in public for god sake stop this game give names expose the bad guys who ever they are. EXPOSE THEM PUBLICLY we do not need imprecise shady stories about unamed FPM MP , kiyadi or whatever . give us something concrete ! than the base can move and hold him accountable and ask the leadership to remove him to punish him to do whatever should be done but throwing in our faces ossass mmaghmagha this is realy worse then what this person did this is what can hurt FPM as a parti and base on the long run .

expose the perpetrators or dont talk at all .

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by coralie

FPM is covering ? FPM ya3ni all the parti ? from head to toes ???? shou hal comment hayda ?????
who are those FPMers covering or protecting any az3ar ? give us names in public for god sake stop this game give names expose the bad guys who ever they are. EXPOSE THEM PUBLICLY we do not need imprecise shady stories about unamed FPM MP , kiyadi or whatever . give us something concrete ! than the base can move and hold him accountable and ask the leadership to remove him to punish him to do whatever should be done but throwing in our faces ossass mmaghmagha this is realy worse then what this person did this is what can hurt FPM as a parti and base on the long run .

expose the perpetrators or dont talk at all .

I second you Coralie; this is the attitude that we expect from FPMers; isn't our whole political speech based on disclosing corruption regardles from where it comes? If we want to fight corruption, we should start from inside and the first step would be to say things as they are without hiding any detail.

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by coralie

FPM is covering ? FPM ya3ni all the parti ? from head to toes ???? shou hal comment hayda ?????
who are those FPMers covering or protecting any az3ar ? give us names in public for god sake stop this game give names expose the bad guys who ever they are. EXPOSE THEM PUBLICLY we do not need imprecise shady stories about unamed FPM MP , kiyadi or whatever . give us something concrete ! than the base can move and hold him accountable and ask the leadership to remove him to punish him to do whatever should be done but throwing in our faces ossass mmaghmagha this is realy worse then what this person did this is what can hurt FPM as a parti and base on the long run .

expose the perpetrators or dont talk at all .

Hint 1: ''FPM Beirut's M.M.'' (from Bassam's story) is not Michel Murr :)

Hint 2: He is working for FPM Achrafieh to be exact

Hint 3: His family name is the name of a caza in mount Lebanon

Hint 4: bidallo bel ABC achrafieh, has lots of PR connections, and personally, i think the guy is ballsy and abaday, though many dislike him too.

Hint 5: He has grey hair...

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

Hint 1: ''FPM Beirut's M.M.'' (from Bassam's story) is not Michel Murr :)

Hint 2: He is working for FPM Achrafieh to be exact

Hint 3: His family name is the name of a caza in mount Lebanon

Hint 4: bidallo bel ABC achrafieh, has lots of PR connections, and personally, i think the guy is ballsy and abaday, though many dislike him too.

Hint 5: He has grey hair...

chou hazoura ? walla ghomayda ?

do you see me in a mood for jokes ? or to decript your riddle ta TK ?

give us the name if you can back up your stories with solid proof that he is protecting or covering a az3ar, FPM or else, or doing anything contrary to our principles and values go ahead why noone dare to pronouce his name ? . unethical ? or because he is ballsy and abaday khayfin menno ?

yalla give us the FULL name 3alanan with capital letters . let every body knows this guy is a bad apple .

[Pablo Honey]

General Aoun is not going to be around for a long time .

Either FPM starts turning themselves into what they preach or they will turn out to be the biggest hypocritical bunch in lebanese history .

Sad , the lebanese syndrome is slowly metastasizing in the healthy idea of a body that was FPM .

[Shah Massoud]

I'm very sorry to say that , but from what I see...there is only one truth looming :

after GMA , FPM will suffer from internal divisions and will be splitted into many factions just like the rest of the Lebanese political parties......MARK MY WORDS

[PhoenixResurrection]

Originally Posted by Comrade Bassam

From Jean Aziz's article today:

قبل أسابيع عدة، تعرّض مواطن من أنصار التيار الوطني الحر لما يشبه «الغزوة» على مركز عمله في وسط بيروت. الأسباب كانت إدارية بينه وبين أحد موظفيه. ومعالجته للمسألة كانت قانونية كلياً. غير أن جواب المختلف معه كان تنظيم هجوم على مركز العمل، حُطمت خلاله محتوياته واعتُدي بالضرب على بعض من كانوا فيه. وصل الخبر إلى الأجهزة الأمنية. أوقف المبادر إلى الاعتداء وتنظيم «الغزوة». بعد ثلاثة أيام أطلق سراحه، وكان أول عمل يقوم به بعد استعادته حريته أن اتصل برب عمله السابق، «العوني»، ليبلغه رسالة مختصرة: جعلتني أنام ليلتين في السجن. ولقاء ذلك سأجعلك تنام في القبر...

كبرت القضية. حاول كثيرون احتواءها، إلى أن طلب من أحد نواب تكتل التغيير والإصلاح معالجتها. أجرى النائب الوسيط سلسلة اتصالات، قبل أن يعود برسالة أكثر اختصاراً: انسوا الموضوع، واعملوا على لفلفته، فالمعتدي محميّ من شرطة المجلس النيابي...


Please nobody come tell me if Jean Aziz is sure about what he is saying or whether it's true or not. I don't care because I KNOW dozens of similar and even more dangerous stories... So khallina mastourin bi hay!

And for those who sincerely care about our (if it's still ours) great movement, you are called to take a stance in that regard. You have no right to remain silent anymore vis-a-vis such attitudes by some "2orta" who want to call themselves "tayyar" bi ekhir hal zaman!

sure unacceptable & disappointing.
but I'm curious though... Who asked the C&B MP to tackle this issue, and what was their reaction when this obvious retarded MP communicated his equally stupid conclusion?
Will FPM go with these offensive recommendations? Or sanction this MP, be intransigent & true to its values... that is the question