Open question to FPM activists: Do you accept this attitude?

[The Jade]

Dude, the guy answered you below.

With all my respect to Bassam and any other who might think like him, but if you really think that you can build a party without positions then the whole plan that you just drafted is useless.

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

Fine.

Then i suggest (knowing ur tight relationship with Mario chamoun) you get in touch with the latter and set up a meeting with key personel in Rabyeh (eza fadyin el shabibe) to discuss those concerns (as they are affecting many) and start by creating the task force.

First goal: identifying the root cause of the problem

Then: identifying the ''derivative'' major problems as a result of the root cause

Then: identify the symptoms of the above problems (notice it all functions like a tree, with the trunk and the branches, etc...)

Then: propose alternative solutions (within a specific timeframe, with tangible and quantifiable goals, and allocated resources in terms of human resources and capital if needed)

Then: propose accountability and reward mechanism, in addition to seniority ladders.

Keep in mind that a comprehensive SWOT (Strenghts, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) analysis should be included in order to assess FPM's current situation and operating environment.

(it could go on based on how thoroughly you want to dwell into details)

The ''Raison'd'etre" of FPM is at stake here, and most organizations who failed (corporations included) got extinct because their raison d'etre could not keep up with developing and emerging trends in the environment within which they operate, due to internal inefficiencies mainly.

It is not a matter of tactics only, it is a matter of attitudes employed by some while conducting tasks within the framework of el ''3amal el 7izbe''

Originally Posted by Comrade Bassam

FPM is a spirit... It cannot carry positions. The day positions will concretely exist is the day FPM loses its essence of existance.

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Dude, the guy answered you below.

With all my respect to Bassam and any other who might think like him, but if you really think that you can build a party without positions then the whole plan that you just drafted is useless.

Bassam meant that FPM was mainly based on some ''essence / spirit'' and it's this same ''spirit / essence'' that makes FPM, and not some fancy position within FPM...

But of course, eventually positions within the party would have to be established in order to supervise the rightful and careful implementation of FPM's message / culture,etc...

Basically, u cannot rely on some low IQ ex-con official, who doesn't embody and understand and value FPM's spirit and essence (as CB previously mentioned), to make sure that governance is properly implemented within his span of control, and that best practices are being conducted...

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

Bassam meant that FPM was mainly based on some ''essence / spirit'' and it's this same ''spirit / essence'' that makes FPM, and not some fancy position within FPM...

But of course, eventually positions within the party would have to be established in order to supervise the rightful and careful implementation of FPM's message / culture,etc...

I surely hope he meant that, and I would prefer it if it comes from him. (no offence to you, but I've had some people explain the position of others within the FPM and it turned out they had a completely different vision from the concerned people)

[Lallous]

The screening has to be done from the top. Elections or not, it wouldn't change anything in this case (not that elections are not needed either). This is something intimately related to the Lebanese culture of corruption. The same people would go back to the same positions if elections took place and even granting them legitimacy. The only one that could have some say and would be listened to is Aoun himself. But how much can this man bear between internal partisan conflicts, local politics and foreign pressure ? The actual statu-quo can't be maintained though as it could lead to a split once Aoun quits. So better confront the problem ASAP.

[The Jade]

Well shouldn't we find a way to get these people out of the FPM ?

Because the way I see it, the only person who has the power to do that is Michel Aoun.

And as many of you have showed it before: the guy has only 2 hands, 2 eyes and 2 ears.

But if you expose each and every official in the FPM to 40 000 pairs of hands, 40 000 pairs of eyes and 40 000 pairs of ears, then with time you'll only have the elite in high positions.
And if not this means that your base is rotten and there's not much you can do here

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by Lallous

The screening has to be done from the top. Elections or not, it wouldn't change anything in this case (not that elections are not needed either). This is something intimately related to the Lebanese culture of corruption. The same people would go back to the same positions if elections took place and even granting them legitimacy. The only one that could have some say and would be listened to is Aoun himself. But how much can this man bear between internal partisan conflicts, local politics and foreign pressure ? The actual statu-quo can't be maintained though as it could lead to a split once Aoun quits. So better confront the problem ASAP.

Eh bas you cannot have a party that relies solely on one man.

Ekherta GMA is also prone to mistakes, that's why a aspecialized task force of reliable ''clean'' partisans (with nothing to gain) should be handed such assignment.

Ya3ne if within all of FPM we can't find a board of 10 people who can handle such task, el mishkle ma bten7al...(ta ma ballish karfit halla2 lol )

[Lallous]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

Eh bas you cannot have a party that relies solely on one man.

Ekherta GMA is also prone to mistakes, that's why a aspecialized task force of reliable ''clean'' partisans (with nothing to gain) should be handed such assignment.

Ya3ne if within all of FPM we can't find a board of 10 people who can handle such task, el mishkle ma bten7al...(ta ma ballish karfit halla2 lol )

These handful partisans are rare, but still there is hope. And you cannot advocate an elitist party either. You must have a check and balance system inside the party to avoid any abuse. There is already a framework at hand. Let's start applying the nizam we made with some rigor so we can know its limits and adapt it eventually to fit our needs.
Yes, not all the positions are meant to be elections-based and I support that some of them to be appointed. There is something called Majless el tahkim that should be in place and these are the same people you are referring too.

No need to reinvent the wheel. All that talk we are doing now has already been done. It just needs to kick in.

[freemind]

M.M has done lots to FPM Beirut i hear, he's spent lots of his own money i hear as well; other stories say he took in some of FPM's money into his own account... lots of contradicting stories go around here and there.

In the end every person that has some issue with this or that official will start making stories, or stressing up the mistakes this or that FPM leader has done;

To solve all that, i suggest you get on with those FPM inner elections, and cut the ''neswen el feren'' debates every now and then.

[freemind]

Originally Posted by X

"Samer Hana's incident" coasted us Batroun and even Koura elections, and the criminal got out of jail.

The 7th of May incidents cost you the whole 2009 parliamentary elections.

[NMA]

This is exactly what the loyalists want FPMers to believe.... "shoufo el shi3a shou 3am ya3mlo fikon" ....... kella le3be kbeere and it's sad that some still fall for that.