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Fully agree with you.
"Kudama el Tayyar" would be good
In your dreams and in the dreams of everyone thinking that FPM would ever be abandoned to anyone ;)
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why make it "kudama"!!! why not call it "Tayyar internal affairs" :D

i like the idea, it can play the same role as the parlement; the parlement audit and monitor the function of the ministry, so why not have something like that from tayyar members

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why make it "kudama"!!! why not call it "Tayyar internal affairs" :D

i like the idea, it can play the same role as the parlement; the parlement audit and monitor the function of the ministry, so why not have something like that from tayyar members

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It's not a structural matter but rather a cultural one.
Not any structural plan could ever overcome any cultural deficiency.

This thread is targeted towards free activists so they work on themselves and get back to the national scene.

Our country is sinking in deep sh*t and we cannot remain silent.

This is the FPM spirit that we need to revive among individuals and groups.

This is what the thread is about.

Please guys yerda 3laykon stop repeating meaningless rhetorics that we already had enough of in millions of previous threads...
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It's not a structural matter but rather a cultural one.
Not any structural plan could ever overcome any cultural deficiency.

This thread is targeted towards free activists so they work on themselves and get back to the national scene.

Our country is sinking in deep sh*t and we cannot remain silent.

This is the FPM spirit that we need to revive among individuals and groups.

This is what the thread is about.

Please guys yerda 3laykon stop repeating meaningless rhetorics that we already had enough of in millions of previous threads...
I totally agree with you

Activism and political parties don't have to be identical...

You can have the FPM deal with the politics and the obvious compromises that its role of a governing party imposes, activists and activist organizations can keep the "purist" approach and the idealist "flame"...

This dual approach is necessary and would serve as a reinforcing mechanism for FPM
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We should gather around the remaining good FPMers and do a reformist manifesto.
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We should gather around the remaining good FPMers and do a reformist manifesto.
The words "gather around" and "manifesto" make me fear you're still performing in the same close circle...

Good FPMers have GMA's visions as excellent reference to start with.

Kell hal chakliyyet ma 2ela ta3meh.

What needs to be done is what the first sentence of the thread calls for... Time to rebuild visions and live them. That's all.

FPM cannot refrain anybody from any good act. If it does, we have our proper ways and experience to cut the necessary heads to keep walking...
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Back like 10 to 15 years ago, FPMers, without any kind of stupid organizational hierarchies, but just with a minimum sense of good citizenship and mission and public duty, were there in every corner raising the flames of hope in tomorrow!

And today:

Are all motivated?
What is the motivation drive?
Do all have the same beliefs and values?


On the forum I noticed extreme divergences. Before there was a common - the Syrian - today there is no common enemy, the land is "free" but people are still imprisoned in their thoughts.

Camarade Bassam, do not blame FPMers for being like that, we are living a transitional phase full of chaos. The revolution was not well-planned, when a revolution occurs there must be a post-planning, instead we need a new revolution to free ourselves from the complex of the past. This country and its citizens, all of them, need a new era, and this may motivate you to be the "flame of tomorrow" again after this transitional phase. The flame of tomorrow must set a target in order to be a true flame, so define a target or let FPM officials define a target, then FPM will change completely and become again this "flame of hope".
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Time to rebuild visions and live them. That's all.

FPM cannot refrain anybody from any good act. If it does, we have our proper ways and experience to cut the necessary heads to keep walking...
saba2tne bi tlet d2ye2....
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if FPM would ever be considering reforming the party based on its old principles it should start with:

1. Build an organizational reform of the party.
2. Apologize for the speech FPM have been using since 2005 and promising it wont happen again.
3. Implementation of major reforms in the party structures.
4. focusing on how FPM speech should be like for example the leadership cant just throw any word they wants (like it is today) the words have to be chosen!
5. How to deal with the current sectarian reality without adopting it as only goal to win elections and to win some support here and there!
6. Adopting secularism as number one cause!
7. Never cover-up for allies! work clean!
8. Don't do secretly meetings like for example when Aoun allied with Michel Murr in 2005 it was like an backstabbing for many FPMer! and it makes the supporters of the party look like sheep!

these are basics i know but it would be something new for Lebanon..
it would give the people a chance to choose differently!

I know it wont happen
but if Lebanon could have such party/movement again many people will start have hope in this country again

how many of you as FPMer still have hope in this country after FPM started adopting sectarianism!?
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if FPM would ever be considering reforming the party based on its old principles it should start with:

1. Build an organizational reform of the party.
2. Apologize for the speech FPM have been using since 2005 and promising it wont happen again.
3. Implementation of major reforms in the party structures.
4. focusing on how FPM speech should be like for example the leadership cant just throw any word they wants (like it is today) the words have to be chosen!
5. How to deal with the current sectarian reality without adopting it as only goal to win elections and to win some support here and there!
6. Adopting secularism as number one cause!
7. Never cover-up for allies! work clean!
8. Don't do secretly meetings like for example when Aoun allied with Michel Murr in 2005 it was like an backstabbing for many FPMer! and it makes the supporters of the party look like sheep!

these are basics i know but it would be something new for Lebanon..
it would give the people a chance to choose differently!

I know it wont happen
but if Lebanon could have such party/movement again many people will start have hope in this country again

how many of you as FPMer still have hope in this country after FPM started adopting sectarianism!?
Again as I said already many times... The problem is not with the party but with the spirits making it.

We need to work on the person's level. We need to build and enhance our political culture and we need to keep reviving active spirits.

The party is fine! It needs reforms yes but those reforms are not indispensable for free citizens to act towards their daily and lifetime national and individual issues.

This is the message of this thread.
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