The number of "Females" V/S the lack of "Female Leaders" in FPM

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by X

I am against nominating females just to have female candidates, my question is, "why the females in FPM are not becoming candidates?" not "Why FPM isn't nominating females?"

And I agree with you on that. Woman should have equal rights as men, and get equal treatment. Forcing a quota is against democracy, but one could also argue that Lebanese (Middle Eastern people in general) rarely do things on their own. They need a boot every now and then in order to move on and evolve.

Regarding my previous post, I knew it was not in line with the topic, but I read the info some days ago and found it hypocritical seeing FPM till this moment has no female candidates.

As for your question, FPM isn't nominating women in this elections because of one thing: FPM will only accept candidates who can gather a substantial amount of votes on their own. And nowhere does any FPM woman come close to that. It's bc any female FPM candidate will have to rely solely on the votes of party members and supporters (and not all of them even, since even in FPM you will find those who find women unfit to lead), whilst GMA's strategy in this elections is to have on FPM's list the names who get the highest votes in the polls.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Sorry X to have offended you.

No i'm no longer FPM and i am certainly not a woman.

I actually agree with you, and believe woman can provide a different perspective to arab politics that is is presently lacking.
Contrary to what you may think, I strongly believe you ' X ' would make a formidable candidate for the FPM . Some one who can think for himself, and not just a puppet who repeats after GMA

Gees! How some people feel the urge to bash and attack (and state they are Ex-FPMers as well), even when it's totally irrelevant to the discussion and the topic of the thread.

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Gees! How some people feel the urge to bash and attack (and state they are Ex-FPMers as well), even when it's totally irrelevant to the discussion and the topic of the thread.

Vego, Its difficult to resist the urge, just as you can't resist the urge of commenting on whatever i write, even if it isn't adressed to you

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Vego, Its difficult to resist the urge, just as you can't resist the urge of commenting on whatever i write, even if it isn't adressed to you

I know know. I have this constant habit/urge to expose people who are obsessed with attacking FPM in totally inappropriate threads.

As for the last part, to my recollection this is not a chatbox but a forum, so anyone can reply to any post he/she feels like.

PS: for the part in red, my allergy to nonsense is non-specific and responds to many allergens.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by orange infection

she's a joke
and the first time i heard someone shouting inta el batrak ya slaymen was from her mouth
and when they make a interview or talk show with her and ask about some stuff deghreh bteftela and start to talk about zionist history LOL , betale3neh men tyebeh , she's so ignorant
after all i don't expect that much from her iza her leader anja2 byelfoz esmo

i disagree with ur disagreement

anyone shouting inta batrakna ya sleyman is good enough for me hehe

anyhows, this isn't a thread about marada perhaps we can pick this up some other place :)

[Lemon]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

I recently learned that one of FPM's main goals for the 2009 elections is establishing a female quota for parliament.

How could it raise such a slogan and not apply it on itself? Sounds hypocritical if you ask me.

Female quotas do not make sense in a bloc voting system that is in use in Lebanon; however the quotas can naturally be coupled with a call for a proportional representation. Think about it: if there were female quotas under the current law, what would the result be? The female representatives would either be candidates for seats that the party in question wouldn't be able to win anyway, or the quotas would be gender-specific the way they are now confession-specific, which is obviously not the way to go.

I am all for quotas with proportional representation, but I don't see any hypocrisy in going for the next elections with the rules that have been agreed upon.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

And I agree with you on that. Woman should have equal rights as men, and get equal treatment. Forcing a quota is against democracy, but one could also argue that Lebanese (Middle Eastern people in general) rarely do things on their own. They need a boot every now and then in order to move on and evolve.

Regarding my previous post, I knew it was not in line with the topic, but I read the info some days ago and found it hypocritical seeing FPM till this moment has no female candidates.

As for your question, FPM isn't nominating women in this elections because of one thing: FPM will only accept candidates who can gather a substantial amount of votes on their own. And nowhere does any FPM woman come close to that. It's bc any female FPM candidate will have to rely solely on the votes of party members and supporters (and not all of them even, since even in FPM you will find those who find women unfit to lead), whilst GMA's strategy in this elections is to have on FPM's list the names who get the highest votes in the polls.

Forcing a quota is useful for the protection of minorities. And women in Lebanon, in their state, are in a position of minority!

Why does every sect have a specific number of seats in Lebanon? Why do "minorities" (Evangelist, Jewish, Latin communities) have the right to a seat specifically for them, while women, who make up 50% of the population (more actually), do not have the right to have seat allocated to them?

[X]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Forcing a quota is useful for the protection of minorities. And women in Lebanon, in their state, are in a position of minority!

Why does every sect have a specific number of seats in Lebanon? Why do "minorities" (Evangelist, Jewish, Latin communities) have the right to a seat specifically for them, while women, who make up 50% of the population (more actually), do not have the right to have seat allocated to them?

I don't have any statistics, but women in Lebanon should be half the population, so they are not a minority, why the only women involved in politics are those who are someone's wife, sister or daughter?

And i hate it when people say this is Lebanon and this is how Lebanon works, we as FPM want to change, we want the rest of Lebanon to be changed, not the opposite (we follow the Lebanese traditions)!

When it comes to courage, FPM girls from the "Ansar" days to the dark days of the 1990s, to the demonstrations till 2005 and up till today, if there is a demonstration and confrontation with the security forces, you see them on the front raw

When it comes to responsibility, in the past and today, may females in FPM take care of very hard tasks

When it comes to hardworking and commitment, again they are up there with the men

But when it comes to "positions", they disappear, nobody will come and tell you (no matter if you were male or female) come and take this position, you have to work hard to reach the top, in this case, the girls and women in FPM work hard but they don't ask for "positions".

[Zouxi]

X, to be honest. FPM did make a choice towards women's rights when he chose Gilberte zouein o be on its lists, but unfortunately the choice was somehow a bad one...

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by X

I don't have any statistics, but women in Lebanon should be half the population, so they are not a minority

They are a political minority. Meaning they can be half the population, but they are oppressed, politically and socially!

There are many other examples like these in many countries and throughout history, not just gender!

Shiites were a majority in Iraq during the Saddam years, yet they were a political minority (meaning they were oppressed), same thing for Orthodox Christians in the Soviet Republic years, the Flemish-speaking population in Belgium in the 19th century (60% of the population), the Catholics in Ireland before the Irish independence, the Blacks in South Africa during the apartheid regime...