The Noble Lie: LEO STRAUSS; the neo-conservatives and the March 14 Leadership,

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

The Power of Nightmares, the rise of the politics of fear,

Is a three volume BBC documentary production that exposes the neo conservative artful use of fear and seduction to control the masses minds steering them the same way a few cowboys riding their horses steer a herd of thousands of cows into specific directions that eventually delivers them to the slaughter house.
If you take the time to watch the whole documentary you’ll find that the March 14 political machine used the same technique, even the same terminology such as the (veil scare) to achieve its purposes.

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

J.

I am surprised to see such a documentary coming from BBC. I am not a fan of long posts so i will try to make it brief.

Here's how i see it:

1- Neo Cons:

Strauss's thoughts managed to get through a very dangerous mix of people, opportunists and fanatics. What makes this mix explosive is the fact that these guys were/regained/still in power (still referes to Jeffrey feltmen and his likes who still hold key files such as the Middle East files, He was just today been appointed as assistant of the secretary of state for the middle east files). The likes of Richard Perl and Dick Cheeney were able to successfully "plant" and control the mind of a tool as George Bush who was a firm believer in the idea that he was chosen by "his god" to fullfil a task.

not just Muslims can be extremists, Christians can be too (review the Bush war speech on Iraq, some of it has been taken from the third crusade speech of king Richard). Recent history has taught us that sectarian/racist speech (no matter who the audience is) will attract votes/followers. They have milked dry every religious/sectarian term to serve their purpose which will cause them to fall hard later on in the presidential elections.

Such ideology can not survive without a fierce enemy. Neo Cons morphed Strauss's logic from a thought about the internal destruction of a society to planting fear into the public's mind from a Muslim ogre. They understood that for their rule to survive and for them to conquer they needed to be in a constant war, therefor, there was 9-11.

The question asked in the title of the movie summarises it all:

Who benefitted from 9-11?


2- Al - Qaeda

The movie shows Ayman Al Zawahiri as an extremists Muslim coming from Egypt to help Afghans free their land from the Soviet invasion.

That is a fact, but how did Ayman Al Zawahiri managed to flee the death sentence and just at the right time, appear in Afghanistan as the CIA was trying to establish communications with the "freedom fighters". Why would Ayman Al Zawahiri go on TV and ask the american people NOT to vote for Bush, knowing that Americans have not yet forgotten about 9 - 11, better, not yet recovered from it?
What explains that not a single Al-Qaeda member has been captured in Afghanistan? What explains that not a sing Al-Qaeda cave has been found?

As i would like this to be brief, the conclusion is as follows:

1- Neo Cons are still holding key files in the middle east
2- Their biggest scare tactic is Al-Qaeda which is nothing but elite CIA arab officers used here and there to start a hostile chaos wherever there's an interest for the US to exist "or suck benefits out"
3- I fear we may have such bulli tactics used against UNIFIL in the south to give an excuse for hostile (Nato or UN under the 7th chapter or etc...) forces to exist which i have expressed previously.
4- Notice the similarity in using a tool "believer" between Bush and Hariri Jr. Both are Believers with low IQ and extreme opportunists/extremists behind them.
5- Religious speeches, can maneuver the vast majority of any audience
6- Democracy is a fluffy term for interests and power

How dangerous is to have such idology taught at universities and schools?

There's alot more to be said but as i mentioned before, I am not a fan of long posts.

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

There is a spiritual level that humans reach where their personal satisfaction becomes more spiritual than materialistic.
I sincerely believe GMA is a lot happier today as a rebel who defied the superpowers and sacrificed the Presidency and its phony glamour so he can speak out his mind and defend the rights of the good and the bad alike against the powers of the ugly evil.

Totally agree. My favorite part is now he is letting this Evil ridden Patriarch have it and without much holding back.

[punkgirlie16]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Thank you for noticing that; you are right GMA did say it and he knew exactly what he was talking about.
It is no secret the Syrians were responsible for many political assassinations during their 29 years of occupation with the approval of the supreme powers they employed them back then.
On the other hand, it is obvious the assassinations of the 14 March figures starting with Hariri were designed to put pressure on the Syrians giving them a taste of their own medicine.
What’s also obvious is that the recent release of the four Generals was the beginning of a new era of putting Syria back in charge of Lebanon through the M14 camp.
Walid Jumblat knew all along, back in the seventies the Syrians killed his farther but supported them anyway during their 29 years of occupation. He said he was lying to them back then but he’s going back to them now…. That’s a simple fact that describes the M14 leadership criterion but that seems to work since their followers, (Vulgar Many) are still so many…..
I mentioned above, the good and the ugly know the truth but the bad doesn’t and doesn’t want to see it.
The M14 politicians who lost their relatives due to political assassinations were understandably outraged. They started as (bad- Vulgar many) accusing the wrong party but they realized overtime their supporters were in fact their relatives killers the (Ugly - Wise Few). Instead of joining the (Good), they decided to cash in their victim’s blood by accepting the (Ugly) deal since they felt they have nothing to lose but plenty to gain politically and financially. (Another form of the Stockholm syndrome)
I lost track of how many inexperienced and unqualified politicians came to power because of that reason. Maybe someone on this forum can give us a complete list starting with Mr. Saad…
The irony lingers in the rest of their followers who gained nothing but social hardships and remained (Vulgar Many masses) instead of supporting the (Good).

Having said all that, I can understand Leo Strauss’ vision about our defective society; he identified its imperfections and used them brilliantly; the majority of the masses are begging to be controlled and be told what to do. The (Ugly - Wise Few) shall stay in power so long the (Bad - Vulgar Many) can’t handle the virtue of the truth.
Historically speaking, the (Vulgar Many) are the ones who crucified Jesus their (Good) savior while the (Ugly) Romans were watching and laughing at them killing their best friend.

Finally I have a funny story about a major car dealer I know. He’s in the habit of calling me on Sunday to say hello and mention how much he enjoyed the Sunday mass service; during weekdays, he calls to talk about his business and his multiple court appearances because of so many clients' lawsuits against dealership. Finally I had to ask him why so many? He said because we rip them of all the time. I said why? He said: Anytime I see an idiot walking in my dealership, it is my duty is to rip him of.
I was shocked to here him say that but the more I see the more I believe…

does all this bracket-ish lament boil down to something different than that the world is bad, and those who are stupid will end up looking stupid?

how i hate those wailings.

so, who killed this jesus everybody ist talking about these days? the vulgar many (=the ones you think are inferior to you) or the ugly few (the ones who you fear are superior to you)?

i am not interested anyways, as you don't seem to me much brighter than the ones you despise (in fact dumber), and i don't believe in those you seem to fear. and after all, who is this jesus anyway, and why everyone suddenly is so upset about a jew killed in occupied palestine?

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

J.

I am surprised to see such a documentary coming from BBC. I am not a fan of long posts so i will try to make it brief.

Here's how i see it:

1- Neo Cons:

Strauss's thoughts managed to get through a very dangerous mix of people, opportunists and fanatics. What makes this mix explosive is the fact that these guys were/regained/still in power (still referes to Jeffrey feltmen and his likes who still hold key files such as the Middle East files, He was just today been appointed as assistant of the secretary of state for the middle east files). The likes of Richard Perl and Dick Cheeney were able to successfully "plant" and control the mind of a tool as George Bush who was a firm believer in the idea that he was chosen by "his god" to fullfil a task.

not just Muslims can be extremists, Christians can be too (review the Bush war speech on Iraq, some of it has been taken from the third crusade speech of king Richard). Recent history has taught us that sectarian/racist speech (no matter who the audience is) will attract votes/followers. They have milked dry every religious/sectarian term to serve their purpose which will cause them to fall hard later on in the presidential elections.

Such ideology can not survive without a fierce enemy. Neo Cons morphed Strauss's logic from a thought about the internal destruction of a society to planting fear into the public's mind from a Muslim ogre. They understood that for their rule to survive and for them to conquer they needed to be in a constant war, therefor, there was 9-11.

The question asked in the title of the movie summarises it all:

Who benefitted from 9-11?


2- Al - Qaeda

The movie shows Ayman Al Zawahiri as an extremists Muslim coming from Egypt to help Afghans free their land from the Soviet invasion.

That is a fact, but how did Ayman Al Zawahiri managed to flee the death sentence and just at the right time, appear in Afghanistan as the CIA was trying to establish communications with the "freedom fighters". Why would Ayman Al Zawahiri go on TV and ask the american people NOT to vote for Bush, knowing that Americans have not yet forgotten about 9 - 11, better, not yet recovered from it?
What explains that not a single Al-Qaeda member has been captured in Afghanistan? What explains that not a sing Al-Qaeda cave has been found?

As i would like this to be brief, the conclusion is as follows:

1- Neo Cons are still holding key files in the middle east
2- Their biggest scare tactic is Al-Qaeda which is nothing but elite CIA arab officers used here and there to start a hostile chaos wherever there's an interest for the US to exist "or suck benefits out"
3- I fear we may have such bulli tactics used against UNIFIL in the south to give an excuse for hostile (Nato or UN under the 7th chapter or etc...) forces to exist which i have expressed previously.
4- Notice the similarity in using a tool "believer" between Bush and Hariri Jr. Both are Believers with low IQ and extreme opportunists/extremists behind them.
5- Religious speeches, can maneuver the vast majority of any audience
6- Democracy is a fluffy term for interests and power

How dangerous is to have such idology taught at universities and schools?

There's alot more to be said but as i mentioned before, I am not a fan of long posts.

Thank you for taking the time to examine all those facts. I’m glad someone is showing interest and understanding in such a universal subject.
There is one point I want to make clear in order not to offend or alienate religious believers and patriots. Strauss became an atheist with no real country while suggesting religion and patriotism are the best tools to manipulate the vulgar to the point of accepting to die for the cause (the untold cause or Nobel Lie might be the oil in Iraq and protecting the dollar as the world reserve currency through the petrodollar system). The bad word here is not the religious or the patriotic but the vulgar. Unfortunately, it is rather easier to deceive and take advantage of trusting believers in God and their country than others.
There are other ways to control the vulgar trough all kinds of fear.
Check out this intelligence insulting show from FOX network- the leader of deception and media prostitution for the neo cons and the Iraq War… Those guys still show their faces for more lies as long as there are vulgar listeners keeping them in business.

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Thank you for taking the time to examine all those facts. I’m glad someone is showing interest and understanding in such a universal subject.
There is one point I want to make clear in order not to offend or alienate religious believers and patriots. Strauss became an atheist with no real country while suggesting religion and patriotism are the best tools to manipulate the vulgar to the point of accepting to die for the cause (the untold cause or Nobel Lie might be the oil in Iraq and protecting the dollar as the world reserve currency through the petrodollar system). The bad word here is not the religious or the patriotic but the vulgar. Unfortunately, it is rather easier to deceive and take advantage of trusting believers in God and their country than others.

I totally agree, I did not mean to say that religion is bad, I meant the use of religion. I am very religious and conservative myself, but not extremist.

Check out this intelligence insulting show from FOX network- the leader of deception and media prostitution for the neo cons and the Iraq War… Those guys still show their faces for more lies as long as there are vulgar listeners keeping them in business.

Fox can only be watched when George Galloway is insulting the sh** out of them on air

(video on sky, same ****, different smell lol).

Here's a sample



and a personal favorite lol

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by Mar1K

I totally agree, I did not mean to say that religion is bad, I meant the use of religion. I am very religious and conservative myself, but not extremist.

God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck at them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East…. George Bush 2003

This is the process God and his son provided me with as I cleaned the inside of the mind not just to make it look that way on the outside… Phillip Garrido 2009
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerindex?id=8451527
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8451837
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8449451

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/31/jaycee-dugard-kidnapping-children
• Children of Jaycee Dugard upset over Phillip Garrido's arrest

http://www.livescience.com/culture/090831-stockholm-syndrome.html
Bonding with a Captor: Why Jaycee Dugard Didn't Flee

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m8d31-Crime-Info-101-Jaycee-Dugard-and-Stockholm-syndrome-what-is-it-Part-2
Jaycee Dugard and Stockholm syndrome, what is it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/jaycee-lee-dugard/6106991/Jaycee-Lee-Dugard-may-have-succumbed-to-Stockholm-Syndrome.html
Jaycee Lee Dugard may have succumbed to 'Stockholm Syndrome'
The condition develops after the initial feelings of terror and confusion wear off and involves the victim building a “positive bond” with their kidnapper as a way to cope with the trauma of being held captive. Instead of hating the person who has abducted them, they come to empathise with them and view the outside world as the enemy.

It’s quite interesting what we have been talking about in this thread explains all the irrationalities in this evolving story:
It confirms the Stockholm syndrome where the victim was helping her abductor with his business and never attempted to run away although she had plenty of opportunities to do so.
I bet she will miss her old life style and blame her liberators for her upcoming emptiness and miserable life.
As it has been reported, her children already miss their father and the lifestyle they are accustomed to. They believe the society is not being fair to them and their father.

The fear factor through irrational religious beliefs has accomplished its full effect on a man whose mental disturbance and ingenuity are so hard to tell apart.
He believes God has spoken to him and his family believes him; George W. Bush believes God has spoken to him and two hundred million Americans believed him.
How strange is that? Or is it?

[J. Abizeid]

House of Cards:
A BIG Noble lie:


CNBC aired just recently a 90 min documentary titled House of Cards.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1145392808&play=1
It is an eye opener explaining the inevitable collapse of the US economy that triggered the global economic downturn as a result.
It might also be entertaining to learn about Daniel Sadek (Redline movie) the almost illiterate Lebanese kid who emigrated to the US and worked at a gas station soon to become a multimillionaire earning about $50 millions a month through the sub prime mortgage financing supported and encouraged by Wall Street and the neo conservative Bush administration through its obedient ex treasury chairman Allen Greenspan.
http://www.dfwdriveyourdream.com/daily-news.php?id=123
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS324US324 &q=daniel+sadek&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=zOG_Svr0GIzQsgOI4uVR&sa=X&oi=image_result_gro up&ct=title&resnum=4

The Noble lie in this episode is making the American homeowners believe their homes are cash cows that will always appreciate in value at an averages of 20 to 25% a year (so if they don’t own one they better hurry up) and encourage them to refinance every few months and take their cash out so they can go shopping and stay busy from asking the Bush administration what they are doing in Iraq and for what reason the US troops are dying there.
In order to qualify for such huge amounts of mortgage loans, lenders encouraged their borrowers to lie about their income and gave them temporary low interest rates. The fake low monthly payments on homes drove their values to artificially mushroom so Bush can talk about Saddam’s mushroom cloud and invade his country with the support of the American shoppers.
In the documentary, Greenspan said he could no longer control the momentum of the bubble. He sounded as if we would have preferred to slow it down and have it burst during the Obama administration instead… They were not that lucky….
The BIG lie lies in where Wall Street came up with the money to lend it to the American homeowners; the documentary explains how they packaged the sub prime borrowers loans and stamped them with a fake 5 star high rating and sold them to Asia Europe and the rest of the world as prime, low risk loans. In other word, they cheated the world and got away with it up to certain extent…

Today, the world is patching its wounds by working hard saving and reinvesting their money else where but many Americans are still under the impression the world can’t wait to lend them more money as soon as they can.

[joseph_lubnan]

J.Abizeid, if you hate the US so much why did you park yourself here? Pack up and go, the world is full of many vast countries, take your pick...

[Genius]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

J.Abizeid, if you hate the US so much why did you park yourself here? Pack up and go, the world is full of many vast countries, take your pick...

if you hate the FPM so much why did you park yourself here? Pack up and go, the world is full of many vast forums, take your pick..

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

J.Abizeid, if you hate the US so much why did you park yourself here? Pack up and go, the world is full of many vast countries, take your pick...

If you like to educate yourself read and shut up; although, it’s next to impossible to educate the vulgar.
On the other hand, if you can’t stand the heat get out of my kitchen because you ain’t seen nothing yet; Kiddow