No Peace with Israel, No For Hezbollah Arms, Yes for the Naturalization

[ya ali]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

What does Hariri want?
No peace with Israel!
No Resistance by Hezbollah!
How will he liberate Mazereh Chebaa, Ghajar,...? How will he defend Lebanon?

Through 425 , after terseem hdoud with syria ?
Defend Lebanon by having a good army (Mig 29 , Leopard Tanks ...)

Originally Posted by >Watani<

Does he mean: YES for the Palestinians Naturalization?
I never heard Hariri saying: No for the naturalization!

Sobo7 , dohor , 3ashiya he says that he is against tawteen !!

Originally Posted by >Watani<

Is he really a leader??? GMA said it well, if Syria and Israel will meet to discuss their problems, Lebanon should also participate because he is part of these problems.

Israel Shar motlak "HN" , so sorry we cannot negotiate with the absolute evil !!
Can't we move on , walla we are sick and tired of the Tawteen story!

[Red Phoenix]

AJ is AG ? as in Amine Gemayel ?

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

AJ is AG ? as in Amine Gemayel ?

Yea yea my bad.

[TripolySunni]

Im wondering how Syria is becoming a part of this Boring discussion that i will not participate much in.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

What's wrong with negotiations if they lead to justice? Is it not what Islam calls for before anything? Those sweet methods didn't work with us, doesn't mean they might not work with others.

What have the Arab leaders in KSA, Egypt and Jordan done? You are talking about Syria when it's one of the remaining Arab countries that have not acknowledged Israel! Do you people actually think or just talk without thinking? How can you even mention Syria when you are the puppets of the number one Israeli allies who are starving the Paletinians while Israelis tour their nations?

Is AJ supposed to refer to Amino? The Israeli appointed president? He'd be the best one doing negotiations, true. What negotiations over Shebaa farms are you on about? lol You didn't hear his Martyr in parliament struggling to answer Berri's question if he wanted Shebaa or not after the former declared Lebanese land completely free? Seems that like his uncle, he gives numerical values he can't understand. I would've liked to see Amino negotiating over the South his family gave to Israel. Turning a superhero all of a sudden is impressive indeed.

Speaking of Aoun, he was never an Israeli ally, so your aim at pointing a finger at him is laughable.

Wait wait let me get this straight, i just read your post again. You are with negotiating Israel if it brings Justice, so You consider it ok if Syria gets Jolan back and in return make peace treaty with israel, did I get you right?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Saladin

Wait wait let me get this straight, i just read your post again. You are with negotiating Israel if it brings Justice, so You consider it ok if Syria gets Jolan back and in return make peace treaty with israel, did I get you right?

Nope, you got me wrong. I don't look at international politics the way you do. The issue at hand is not as simple as you make is sound .

Originally Posted by Saladin

Why are you holding me liable for Egypt and Jordan? if it were to me I would topple both regimes, actually most of the arabic regimes and assign Yosuf el Qardawi 5alifah, Happy?

Regarding KSA, until you provide proofs for your claims, your accusation are baseless.

What can I say to this?

The reason i'm specifically talking about Syria is because you've bored us with your endless tape about Syrias patriotism and resistance when, at the same time, the Jolan cliff hasn't witnessed any action for more than 30 years, and they are negotiating with them even during July war. Wen we7dat el Masar wel maseer?

Balad Wa7ed Shaab Wa7ed whether the Israeli puppets like it or not ;). And trying to hide the sun with a finger won't shadow its rays from those who can see.

Regarding the indirect negotiations, I didnt mention AJ to try to make a Hero out of him, i'm just mentioning his Idea or proposal which you've already experienced. If it's ok to indirectly negotiate them to get the prisoners back, how come it's not when it comes to Shebaa Farms?

Yes, because you need to slap them before you negotiate. Negotiating without smacks didn't work and would never work. Negotiating for the prisoners my friend came after a war. Negotiating for Shebaa after we kick them out of it is possible (if that is logically possible). Other than that, you'd be forcing me to erase my life experiences and start believing in fairy tales more than I already do.

[theMightyRedV]

^ Saladin, what the Syrians choose to do is their decision - their choice.

Just like it's the Iraqi's choice to either resist, or accept foreign troops.

For HezbAllah, direct negotiations with "israel" bears no fruit. Take a look at all the BS peace accords that are signed on "israeli" terms. Papers that aren't worth neshe7. If any nation believes signing a peace accord with "israel" will serve them, the Arabs, and indeed the Muslims - that's their choice. HezbAllah will continue reclaiming the rights of their people the only way they know to - which is true justice.

In 2006 he was like a besseh under the table cornering HezbAllah to disarm in return for an end to the war. In May, Hariri and co. wanted to disarm HezbAllah without any strategy, inciting the same level of fitneh as the Americans do in Iraq. Halla2 baddo yjeeb a few mig fighters wu baddo ye3mel 7aalo Lebanon's saviour? After all the money he spilt to incite religious hatred wiy bayyed tnejir?

Let mur jnr jemel bi saksooktak ya sa3doun, el rjel byen3erfo byowm el sheddeh!

[Saladin]

Balad Wa7ed Shaab Wa7ed whether the Israeli puppets like it or not ;). And trying to hide the sun with a finger won't shadow its rays from those who can see.

Running the tape again.

Yes, because you need to slap them before you negotiate. Negotiating without smacks didn't work and would never work. Negotiating for the prisoners my friend came after a war. Negotiating for Shebaa after we kick them out of it is possible (if that is logically possible). Other than that, you'd be forcing me to erase my life experiences and start believing in fairy tales more than I already do.

I think I see your point. You mean we need some sort of a bargaining chip so we can impose our demands in the negotiations. That makes sense. That's why it's now obvious why this negotiation thnigy fits Israel and Syria well, they both have strong bargaining chips, the first has Jolan Cliffs and the second has you.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Saladin

Running the tape again.

I think I see your point. You mean we need some sort of a bargaining chip so we can impose our demands in the negotiations. That makes sense. That's why it's now obvious why this negotiation thnigy fits Israel and Syria well, they both have strong bargaining chips, the first has Jolan Cliffs and the second has you.

Very logical, as logical as Saad's speeches.

[taifoon]

We're focusing on the wrong issue. Sa3doun's lips are mostly for making irrelevant noise and to hold Saudi weed joints with. His attempts to construct meaningful contexts through the use of words can be safely neglected, unless one gets paid for listening to the mambo of a Saudi & young Mr Burns.

More amusing is to pay attention to the context in which he makes his irrelevant noise. In other words, Sa3doun, the half-Wahhabi rich moron beams up with Batrak, the half brain dead bitter senile of the maronites.. Joined in anti-Aoun misery, the following brainstorming session takes place between the two:

Batrak: "Ahlan, welcome, vous êtes bien venus"
Sa3doun: " Shoukran, thanks, Merci mon seigneur"
Batrak: "eh.. kifak, w kif l weldeh?"
Sa3doun: "Mashi, katter kher Allah.."
Batrak:".. ewuh.. na3am.. yawn.."
Sa3doun: "A7wal siyadetkoun zein In shaallah? Bi 7ajeh la ayya she2 tou2morna fih?"
Batrak:"(ghatta.. zzzz..zzzz..zzzzz..)
Batrak:"(still ghattita.. zzzz..zzzz..zzzzz.. dreaming.. he was a young virile pope.. lots of nuns in the corridors of Rome.. Swords, many LF knights hailing his glory..zzzzzzzzz... )
Sa3doun: "(cleaning left hand nails.. caressing goatee.. smiling at monseigneur S3adeh who just served the coffee.. digging the dirt from under the right thumb..
Sa3doun: "Zein, tayyeb Joyeux Noel lakan, Siyadetna, to2morna bi ayya she2?"
Batrak:" (wakee wakee) ouh ouh.. eh, 2e3din, khallik ya 3ammo? (.. leik malla fa2se haida, just when I was about to .... hehehe that cute nun ) "
Sa3doun: "Shefnak w akhadna radak sayyedna.. Yallah salam"
Batrak:" ..euh, eh, wa 3alaykoumou al salam wara7matouallah wa barakatouhou.. eh, leik, w ma tensa to stop shortly on Bkerkeh stairs and deliver something against Aoun.. Enta zake w bta3rif kif.."

After the short theatrical show up at Bkerkeh:
وقال الحريري عقب لقاء البطريرك الماروني الكاردينال مار نصر الله بطرس صفير في بكركي:"نحن في لبنان لن نباشر بأي مفاوضات مباشرة مع اسرائيل للمصلحة الوطنية، والحكومة هي التي تأخذ القرار مجتمعة