Next elections issues: First winners or Losers the People

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Here's something fun for the defenders of FPM's position towards the media:
Tentative d’assassinat de Nasrallah en 2006 : les 12 accusés blanchis

Douze personnes accusées d’avoir projeter d’assassiner en 2006 le secrétaire général du Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, ont été reconnues non coupables hier par le tribunal militaire, a-t-on appris auprès d’une source judiciaire.

Le tribunal s’est contenté d’indiquer que les accusés avaient été blanchis de cette accusation « faute de preuves suffisantes », selon cette source.
Cependant, huit d’entre eux ont été condamnés à une peine de prison allant de trois à cinq ans pour « formation d’un groupe en vue de commettre des délits et porter préjudice à autrui » et pour « détention non autorisée d’armes ».
Une personne a été blanchie de ces deux accusations tandis que trois autres personnes ont été relâchées après avoir purgé leur peine.
En avril 2006, soit près de trois mois avant la guerre dévastatrice entre le Hezbollah et Israël, le quotidien as-Safir avait rapporté que le groupe projetait d’assassiner Hassan Nasrallah au moment où celui-ci se rendait à une séance du dialogue interlibanais consacrée à la crise politique dans le pays.
Selon le journal, le groupe arrêté avait effectué en mars et avril « des repérages sur les mouvements de Hassan Nasrallah et mis au point un plan complet pour l’assassiner ».
L’attaque devait être menée contre son convoi à l’aide de roquettes antichars.
Des sources des services de sécurité citées par le quotidien avait décrit le groupe comme « un groupe bien structuré », avec un « entraînement avancé dans l’utilisation d’armes ». Selon elles, des armes, dont des roquettes, des grenades, des kalachnikovs, avaient été trouvées à leur domicile.



This was written yesterday and it says that Al Safir reported that these people were planning to kill Hassan Nasrallah and had the whole plan mapped out. (in 2006 during the dialogue)

They said all that before waiting for the investigation to end (which happened a couple of days ago)

So now I would want to know how come none you (including the FPM) didn't condemn Al Safir's article back then?

Back then what did we know? Besides, As-Safir wasn't attacking a whole portion of the population!

Today, we can condemn As-Safir for fabricating false stories which destroyed the lives of a dozen individuals...

We condemn both. But there's quite a big difference between the two cases:
- the first, l'Orient le Jour defamated a whole group of the population and a political party, accusing them of being murderers... This is incitement to hatred and should be condemned!
- the second, As-Safir defamated on a couple of individuals who aren't politically affiliated, and hence couldn't be connected to a whole portion of the population... There is hence no incitement to hatred of any kind!

Both should be condemned, but there is a difference as to what position FPM should take on that issue!

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Back then what did we know? Besides, As-Safir wasn't attacking a whole portion of the population!

Today, we can condemn As-Safir for fabricating false stories which destroyed the lives of a dozen individuals...

We condemn both. But there's quite a big difference between the two cases:
- the first, l'Orient le Jour defamated a whole group of the population and a political party, accusing them of being murderers... This is incitement to hatred and should be condemned!

Fair enough, but tell me now, the guy who shot Marc Howayek was pictured by many medias as an LFer.
The guy in question was later released because there was not enough proof against him.

So now, these medias painted the LFers as murderers and according to your logic, this is incitment to hatred BEFORE an investigation was made.

Why isn't your position towards these medias the same as the one you took against L'OLJ.

- the second, As-Safir defamated on a couple of individuals who aren't politically affiliated, and hence couldn't be connected to a whole portion of the population... There is hence no incitement to hatred of any kind!
Both should be condemned, but there is a difference as to what position FPM should take on that issue!

And another question, why do you NOW and ONLY NOW condemn As Safir since you refuse to condemn anyone and anything before an investigation was made ??

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Fair enough, but tell me now, the guy who shot Marc Howayek was pictured by many medias as an LFer.
The guy in question was later released because there was not enough proof against him.

So now, these medias painted the LFers as murderers and according to your logic, this is incitment to hatred BEFORE an investigation was made.

Why isn't your position towards these medias the same as the one you took against L'OLJ.



And another question, why do you NOW and ONLY NOW condemn As Safir since you refuse to condemn anyone and anything before an investigation was made ??

becuz it makes complete sense to assume that mark shot himself by mistake in the back while LFers next to him were peacefully protesting WITH the opposition on the streets, thats why

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Fair enough, but tell me now, the guy who shot Marc Howayek was pictured by many medias as an LFer.
The guy in question was later released because there was not enough proof against him.

So now, these medias painted the LFers as murderers and according to your logic, this is incitment to hatred BEFORE an investigation was made.

Why isn't your position towards these medias the same as the one you took against L'OLJ.



And another question, why do you NOW and ONLY NOW condemn As Safir since you refuse to condemn anyone and anything before an investigation was made ??

Again, there is a difference! As-Saffir accused people who actually didn't do anything, and Nasrallah is still alive and well. On the other hand, Marc Hoayek is paralyzed from the waist down... As Red Phoenix said, do you think he shot himself in the back while LFers were peacefully standing there and watching?

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

becuz it makes complete sense to assume that mark shot himself by mistake in the back while LFers next to him were peacefully protesting WITH the opposition on the streets, thats why

Originally Posted by dodzi

Again, there is a difference! As-Saffir accused people who actually didn't do anything, and Nasrallah is still alive and well. On the other hand, Marc Hoayek is paralyzed from the waist down... As Red Phoenix said, do you think he shot himself in the back while LFers were peacefully standing there and watching?

That's funny...

No, I don't believe he shot himself, someone actually did (on purpose or by mistake), the thing is, some medias quickly accused an LFer of doing that whereas this same LFer has been cleared of all charges..

La nuance n'est pas difficile à comprendre (it hardly exists actually)

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by sarhay

Sorry to know that. It is the economical policy of the current majority that led Lebanon to its current economical slump. Most middle class families are in the same boat and it is time for change.


Ya Canadian, what you stated goes without saying. We are talking about political program promotion or demotion not personal belonging.


Sorry man, wish you the best of luck sincerely.
Look Canadian, you thread was suppose to be about future political program that affect people. My point to you is that their loss is in the political arena not the personal one. you and i will still have our life style as it is, they won't simply because we do not have political position neither we are running for public office. hope this clarify it for you! good luck!

Sarhay,
I didn't mean that you had bad intentions but I wanted to show that the political loss for him is far from being as important than the social and economic loss of the people who are directly touched by the "sauts d'humeur" of Michel Aoun sometimes.

This mistake may have cost the couple of votes that we need to get the expected number of MPs to be able to change.

That's why he should calm down and weigh all his words.
PS: did you see the number of MPs who went to L'OLJ ?? Of course most of them are there for political purposes but this is free publicity for them and free bad publicity for us

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

That's funny...

No, I don't believe he shot himself, someone actually did (on purpose or by mistake), the thing is, some medias quickly accused an LFer of doing that whereas this same LFer has been cleared of all charges..

La nuance n'est pas difficile à comprendre (it hardly exists actually)

Last time I checked, the guy was released through bail, and not acquitted of all charges. Care to post an article/piece of news proving that the court has really cleared him from all charges?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

That's funny...

No, I don't believe he shot himself, someone actually did (on purpose or by mistake), the thing is, some medias quickly accused an LFer of doing that whereas this same LFer has been cleared of all charges..

Here is the list of potential shooters theoretically:
- an LFer (other than Boutros Frem)
- an FPMer
- the LA
- Mark himself
- S3eid's bodyguard (Boutros Frem) who is accused of shooting on Mark

Rule out the illogical, then plz inform us who shot at Mark. Deductive reasoning, let's see how u will fair!

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Here is the list of potential shooters theoretically:
- an LFer (other than Boutros Frem)
- an FPMer
- the LA
- Mark himself
- S3eid's bodyguard (Boutros Frem) who is accused of shooting on Mark

Rule out the illogical, then plz inform us who shot at Mark. Deductive reasoning, let's see how u will fair!

The weird part in all this is that, whenever something happens against the FPM some people don't have any problems throwing accusations left and right.

But when it happens against something else, you now want to wait for investigations....

Are you able to see it or not?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

The weird part in all this is that, whenever something happens against the FPM some people don't have any problems throwing accusations left and right.

But when it happens against something else, you now want to wait for investigations....

Are you able to see it or not?

No, I am not able to see it bc there is something called deductive reasoning which I am sure u are familiar with. Now given the list of potential shooters, scrape down those who could not have done it and post those who might have.

Now are u going to respond with more cheap shots or we're going to have a decent debate? And by the way, I am still waiting for u to prove ur claims about all charges against Boutros Frem being dropped.