Next elections issues: First winners or Losers the People

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Is it the first time that a newspaper writes a false article ???



So now every wrong story is an incitment for hatred ??

Come on guys loosen up, they heard sources telling them the stories and they posted it, that's it, that's all !!!!

I'm gonna ask again, why didn't you ask for the same thing when other media outlets did the same ??

Listen, it is one thing to actually make a mistake in writing it, and correct that mistake in the next edition with apologies (which they didn't. They pretended to have written what the army and ministry of defense have stated, which is not true, so they lied... again).

It is another thing to make a "mistake", exaggerate the mistake without having made thorough research about the facts, and above all that, to incite hatred by attacking a group and accusing it of being cold-blooded murderers!

What happened next is that they have started a war against Aoun instead! You have all kinds of sleazy politicians visiting l'Orient and paying their respects and giving their support... That's neutrality for you!

PS: make a lawsuit against a newspaper is nothing new. In Belgium and Germany (probably France too, but I don't have the facts... hehe, I'm not l'Orient to start inventing info out of the blue), there have been numerous cases where the press has been taken as liable for the articles it writes, and have been subject to fines when it incited hatred by misleading the readers with fallacious facts!

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Listen, it is one thing to actually make a mistake in writing it, and correct that mistake in the next edition with apologies (which they didn't. They pretended to have written what the army and ministry of defense have stated, which is not true, so they lied... again).

It is another thing to make a "mistake", exaggerate the mistake without having made thorough research about the facts, and above all that, to incite hatred by attacking a group and accusing it of being cold-blooded murderers!

What happened next is that they have started a war against Aoun instead! You have all kinds of sleazy politicians visiting l'Orient and paying their respects and giving their support... That's neutrality for you!

PS: make a lawsuit against a newspaper is nothing new. In Belgium and Germany (probably France too, but I don't have the facts... hehe, I'm not l'Orient to start inventing info out of the blue), there have been numerous cases where the press has been taken as liable for the articles it writes, and have been subject to fines when it incited hatred by misleading the readers with fallacious facts!

I'll ask once more: New TV, Manar, NBN, Safir, Akhbar and a lot others attacked Aoun before, they made up stories before, why didn't you ask for their prosecution before ?

Is it not big enough for you to see ?

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Is it the first time that a newspaper writes a false article ???



So now every wrong story is an incitment for hatred ??

Come on guys loosen up, they heard sources telling them the stories and they posted it, that's it, that's all !!!!

I'm gonna ask again, why didn't you ask for the same thing when other media outlets did the same ??

Do you condem l'OLJ title or are you in here just to defend them?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Canadian

I'll ask once more: New TV, Manar, NBN, Safir, Akhbar and a lot others attacked Aoun before, they made up stories before, why didn't you ask for their prosecution before ?

Is it not big enough for you to see ?

Leik, calm down, what's the big deal? There have been numerous times where the FPM has called for the prosecution of journalists who used defamation to attack its leaders. This is not the first time!

Please calm down, take a chill pill habibe! If you ask the right question, you'll get the right answer...

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by Canadian

I'll ask once more: New TV, Manar, NBN, Safir, Akhbar and a lot others attacked Aoun before, they made up stories before, why didn't you ask for their prosecution before ?

Is it not big enough for you to see ?

This issue is not about Aoun. It is about misleading headline where the purpose is to incite hatred and riots. Newspapers with their headlines have a powerfull tool and if this tool is used incorrectly it can create an unrest in the country. I don't think Aoun would respond to them if they attacked him personally, he got used to it.

[dodzi]

Oh, and this is also in contradiction to the Doha agreement, which stipulates that media propaganda will refrain from lying and incite hatred...

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

Do you condem l'OLJ title or are you in here just to defend them?

I'm not defending them, I'm merely showing that it's not such a big deal and that the FPM will lose a lot (or already did) if it continues with its campaign against the media.

The thing is, Manar has already made up stories, I've never seen any of you or any official stand tall and ask for the prosecution of the whole media!!!!

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Oh, and this is also in contradiction to the Doha agreement, which stipulates that media propaganda will refrain from lying and incite hatred...

Did you send an email to the editor?
and by the way l'Orient was no in Doha so they have the right to lie and if you say they are lying ya 3aybeshoum 3lek, because you 3askari, ma badna 3askar bill 7ikim ah ooops this argument doesn't work anymore, ok so you are irani instead.

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by Canadian

That's funny, last I looked I couldn't come to Leb because I can't find a decent job, my family isn't living the same lifestyle it lived long ago because of the crappy situation.

Sorry to know that. It is the economical policy of the current majority that led Lebanon to its current economical slump. Most middle class families are in the same boat and it is time for change.

Michel Aoun has more money than I would know and I don't think that losing these elections will make him jobeless since he'll still be earning his military salary and of course his deputy salary.

Same goes for Kanaan.

Ya Canadian, what you stated goes without saying. We are talking about political program promotion or demotion not personal belonging.

So, again, while I don't have a job, these people actually have guaranteed income for life....So, please do not tell me that they will be losing more than me, you are insulting my intelligence

Sorry man, wish you the best of luck sincerely.
Look Canadian, you thread was suppose to be about future political program that affect people. My point to you is that their loss is in the political arena not the personal one. you and i will still have our life style as it is, they won't simply because we do not have political position neither we are running for public office. hope this clarify it for you! good luck!

[Canadian]

Here's something fun for the defenders of FPM's position towards the media:
Tentative d’assassinat de Nasrallah en 2006 : les 12 accusés blanchis

Douze personnes accusées d’avoir projeter d’assassiner en 2006 le secrétaire général du Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, ont été reconnues non coupables hier par le tribunal militaire, a-t-on appris auprès d’une source judiciaire.

Le tribunal s’est contenté d’indiquer que les accusés avaient été blanchis de cette accusation « faute de preuves suffisantes », selon cette source.
Cependant, huit d’entre eux ont été condamnés à une peine de prison allant de trois à cinq ans pour « formation d’un groupe en vue de commettre des délits et porter préjudice à autrui » et pour « détention non autorisée d’armes ».
Une personne a été blanchie de ces deux accusations tandis que trois autres personnes ont été relâchées après avoir purgé leur peine.
En avril 2006, soit près de trois mois avant la guerre dévastatrice entre le Hezbollah et Israël, le quotidien as-Safir avait rapporté que le groupe projetait d’assassiner Hassan Nasrallah au moment où celui-ci se rendait à une séance du dialogue interlibanais consacrée à la crise politique dans le pays.
Selon le journal, le groupe arrêté avait effectué en mars et avril « des repérages sur les mouvements de Hassan Nasrallah et mis au point un plan complet pour l’assassiner ».
L’attaque devait être menée contre son convoi à l’aide de roquettes antichars.
Des sources des services de sécurité citées par le quotidien avait décrit le groupe comme « un groupe bien structuré », avec un « entraînement avancé dans l’utilisation d’armes ». Selon elles, des armes, dont des roquettes, des grenades, des kalachnikovs, avaient été trouvées à leur domicile.



This was written yesterday and it says that Al Safir reported that these people were planning to kill Hassan Nasrallah and had the whole plan mapped out. (in 2006 during the dialogue)

They said all that before waiting for the investigation to end (which happened a couple of days ago)

So now I would want to know how come none you (including the FPM) didn't condemn Al Safir's article back then?