Next elections issues: First winners or Losers the People

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Canadian

I've been thinking about a couple of moves the FPM might be doing for the next elections.

There are a lot of moves that I approve of and others that I don't.

For me, seeing the FPM win would be a great deal for me since I am sure that will change something in the country and for the best.

But if the FPM loses I would be first to lose whereas FPM's MPs or cadres will still be where they were before.


That's why it's very important for us to show FPM's leadership where we think they are going the wrong way and what are our propositions to remedy that.


For example, I've been showing some reserves concerning Aoun's demands of judging medias such as L'Orient Le Jour and Al Moustaqbal for publishing wrong stories about the Sojoud incident.

This move will only affect FPM's image in the media and will show a distorted face of the FPM (not because they hate the FPM, but if you were in L'Orient's place and someone asks for you to be judged what would you do ???)

The FPM should become friendly with the media in order to show its real face to all the lebanese and not only the ones who watch OTV, NewTV, Manar and NBN!!!

We need to have a complaint, or people's department because the first ones to lose will be us and not Aoun or Kanaan or Bassil or anyone else

L'Orient and Al Mostaqbal are propaganda newspapers. Any person with the ability to think knows that...

What l'Orient wrote was disgusting. There exists also journalism ethics. Journalism has to abide by some rules: objectivity, neutrality/independence, intellectualism, moderation.

Instead, it invented a story (bye bye objectivity), it took sides (bye bye neutrality and independence), it didn't look into the facts and reflect on what happened (intellectualism in that newspaper was long dead anyways), and it incited hatred (bye bye moderation).


While I agree with you that Aoun should refrain from attacking newspaper as directly as he did, I believe it is strategically well-done. Why? By confronting l'Orient le Jour, he has turned l'Orient le Jour totally against him. Anyone who read l'Orient's answer to Aoun could see how humiliated they were, and how it is their ultimate goal to bash Aoun at every turn. What is happening, is the final shift of l'Orient, from a pseudo-neutral newspaper to an entirely partisan and propaganda newspaper!

In other words, Aoun's bashing of l'Orient has credited l'Orient. But l'Orient's answer(s) discredits its and credits Aoun... But that is mere speculation.

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by dodzi

L'Orient and Al Mostaqbal are propaganda newspapers. Any person with the ability to think knows that...

What l'Orient wrote was disgusting. There exists also journalism ethics. Journalism has to abide by some rules: objectivity, neutrality/independence, intellectualism, moderation.

Instead, it invented a story (bye bye objectivity), it took sides (bye bye neutrality and independence), it didn't look into the facts and reflect on what happened (intellectualism in that newspaper was long dead anyways), and it incited hatred (bye bye moderation).


While I agree with you that Aoun should refrain from attacking newspaper as directly as he did, I believe it is strategically well-done. Why? By confronting l'Orient le Jour, he has turned l'Orient le Jour totally against him. Anyone who read l'Orient's answer to Aoun could see how humiliated they were, and how it is their ultimate goal to bash Aoun at every turn. What is happening, is the final shift of l'Orient, from a pseudo-neutral newspaper to an entirely partisan and propaganda newspaper!

In other words, Aoun's bashing of l'Orient has credited l'Orient. But l'Orient's answer(s) discredits its and credits Aoun... But that is mere speculation.

Would you show us where and how L'orient Le Jour was disgusting?

Could you highlight the parts in the article showing the disgust you've been feeling ?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Would you show us where and how L'orient Le Jour was disgusting?

Could you highlight the parts in the article showing the disgust you've been feeling ?

Listen, the title they used is disgusting. What they are trying to do, is to make out of HA fighters cold-blooded murderers...

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Would you show us where and how L'orient Le Jour was disgusting?

Could you highlight the parts in the article showing the disgust you've been feeling ?

This is the headline from the newspaper “Captain Samer Hanna was killed on the ground and in cold blood,” implying that the attack was premeditated by Hezbollah. Freedom of the press is a basic human right guaranteed by the United Nation but with this headline the paper made a judgemental error by accusing HA of the killing before any invistigation took place. Don't you think such a headline is disgusting?

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by Canadian

I've been thinking about a couple of moves the FPM might be doing for the next elections.

There are a lot of moves that I approve of and others that I don't.

For me, seeing the FPM win would be a great deal for me since I am sure that will change something in the country and for the best.

But if the FPM loses I would be first to lose whereas FPM's MPs or cadres will still be where they were before.

On political level, when a party loses all its plans are lost or delay for another day. If FPM is not successful in next election a great deal of reform and change in Lebanese political arena will not be materialized as promised by FPM. I say do your best to give a chance since the others had their chances for over 15 years and we reaped empty promises and increased corruption and economical burdens.

That's why it's very important for us to show FPM's leadership where we think they are going the wrong way and what are our propositions to remedy that.

IMO, the leadership mishap is in its lack of effective media propaganda.While FPM will be no match to clientilism exerted by Hariri groups since 1992 elections their bestbet is in making their voice reach the maximum number of audience across Lebanon and abroad. also, the fault of the base is in this over confidence that could be shaken at any moments because of over pouring of emotion into political reality. these in my opinions where i see the shortcoming of FPM(ers). FPM should develop media campaign that expose their political rivals' records in pre- and post-Taef, their contribution to the demise/misery/economical burden/etc.

For example, I've been showing some reserves concerning Aoun's demands of judging medias such as L'Orient Le Jour and Al Moustaqbal for publishing wrong stories about the Sojoud incident.

Media reports that represent false information or incite violence are punishable by law in Lebanon. they either retract their stories and publish explanation in same pages as their fortold story or they could be sued in court, this is the law. Aoun, sued al shir3a(spl) editor for defamation. similar approach could be done. If you had followed the last USA election when CBS reporter, Dan rather, broadcast a story about Bush service in Veitnam and turned out that the story was not true, the consequence were known.Had Bush caved in for such story that would have damaged his election campaign. Wrongful accusations should be exposed regardless of its source and not be rewarded by appeasment. the latter will only enourageand make such actions flourish.

This move will only affect FPM's image in the media and will show a distorted face of the FPM (not because they hate the FPM, but if you were in L'Orient's place and someone asks for you to be judged what would you do ???)

Again, it is not about FPM image in the media what at stake here is the LDJ reporting portrait and reporting ethics!

We need to have a complaint, or people's department because the first ones to lose will be us and not Aoun or Kanaan or Bassil or anyone else

Actually, GMA, Bassil, Kanaan's loss will maximal as compared for you and I. You will still have your job and life style preserved while they will have to change theirs. Have you ever seen a car racing or football championship loss felt worse on his/her fans than on the losing racers/players themselves????

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Listen, the title they used is disgusting. What they are trying to do, is to make out of HA fighters cold-blooded murderers...

What was the title used ?
And what was the content of the article ?

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

This is the headline from the newspaper “Captain Samer Hanna was killed on the ground and in cold blood,” implying that the attack was premeditated by Hezbollah. Freedom of the press is a basic human right guaranteed by the United Nation but with this headline the paper made a judgemental error by accusing HA of the killing before any invistigation took place. Don't you think such a headline is disgusting?

Last I looked L'Orient Le Jour was a french newspaper..
Ba3den, what was the content of the article that makes it so bad that you would want to see them go to court ?

By making these kinds of remarks, you've been giving the feb 14ers free points and free press..

Again, NewTv, NBN, Manar, Safir, Akhbar etc got a lot of their stories wrong before why didn't anyone ask for them to be taken to court ??

Stop finding any excuse, and as I said before, if the FPM loses because of rookies mistakes like this one, it won't be General Aoun who loses, it will be us the people.

He'll still have a lot of money to live for the rest of his life, but I need them to be in power and do the job in order to find a decent job.
But if they want to take on the rest of the world on a coup de tête, than they're sacrificing me and I wouldn't accept that

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by sarhay

Actually, GMA, Bassil, Kanaan's loss will maximal as compared for you and I. You will still have your job and life style preserved while they will have to change theirs. Have you ever seen a car racing or football championship loss felt worse on his/her fans than on the losing racers/players themselves????

That's funny, last I looked I couldn't come to Leb because I can't find a decent job, my family isn't living the same lifestyle it lived long ago because of the crappy situation.

Michel Aoun has more money than I would know and I don't think that losing these elections will make him jobeless since he'll still be earning his military salary and of course his deputy salary.

Same goes for Kanaan.

So, again, while I don't have a job, these people actually have guaranteed income for life....So, please do not tell me that they will be losing more than me, you are insulting my intelligence

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Would you show us where and how L'orient Le Jour was disgusting?

Could you highlight the parts in the article showing the disgust you've been feeling ?

What do you have to say about this headline:

"Le capitaine Samer Hanna a été abattu à terre et de sang-froid; le Hezbollah livre l'un des agresseurs"

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Canadian

What was the title used ?
And what was the content of the article ?



Last I looked L'Orient Le Jour was a french newspaper..
Ba3den, what was the content of the article that makes it so bad that you would want to see them go to court ?

By making these kinds of remarks, you've been giving the feb 14ers free points and free press..

Again, NewTv, NBN, Manar, Safir, Akhbar etc got a lot of their stories wrong before why didn't anyone ask for them to be taken to court ??

Stop finding any excuse, and as I said before, if the FPM loses because of rookies mistakes like this one, it won't be General Aoun who loses, it will be us the people.

He'll still have a lot of money to live for the rest of his life, but I need them to be in power and do the job in order to find a decent job.
But if they want to take on the rest of the world on a coup de tête, than they're sacrificing me and I wouldn't accept that

Last I checked and heard, Captain Hanna was NOT murdered on the ground and was NOT murdered in cold blood (as per our President and our Army commander an dour Defense ministry). So can you please tell me how isn't this AWFUL title not inciting to hatred against HA (not to mention the lying)?

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

What do you have to say about this headline:

"Le capitaine Samer Hanna a été abattu à terre et de sang-froid; le Hezbollah livre l'un des agresseurs"

Is it the first time that a newspaper writes a false article ???

Originally Posted by Youchka

Last I checked and heard, Captain Hanna was NOT murdered on the ground and was NOT murdered in cold blood (as per our President and our Army commander an dour Defense ministry). So can you please tell me how isn't this AWFUL title not inciting to hatred against HA (not to mention the lying)?

So now every wrong story is an incitment for hatred ??

Come on guys loosen up, they heard sources telling them the stories and they posted it, that's it, that's all !!!!

I'm gonna ask again, why didn't you ask for the same thing when other media outlets did the same ??