Next elections issues: First winners or Losers the People

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Maybe, maybe not...

Why close all the doors?

If you have a better proposal please do, anything can help us

hmm, i propose we pay him more than what harriri is currently paying..

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

Do you really think that will help? Do you really think that a person like Michael Young would change his mind on GMA just because the FPM invited him to have a chat with him?

did you pay him to chat?

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

hmm, i propose we pay him more than what harriri is currently paying..

As much as this may sound tempting, but I think that's out of the question to get as low as that...

Let's play by the rules and win by the rules

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Canadian

As much as this may sound tempting, but I think that's out of the question to get as low as that...

Let's play by the rules and win by the rules

and the rules are the newspapers can report false news and we send letter to the editor complaining about a "misunderstanding" between the newspaper and reality hoping that electors don't get shocked by Aoun asking the law to intervene, 7aram fi nes btendereb a3sabon bass ye7tad Aoun and would rather elect a colorless Michel Sleymen, but saying that the rules is that a newspaper raison d'etre is to report reality and be accountable in front of the law for it is not playing by the rules.
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[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

The thing with L'orient Le jour is that the articles depend on who writes them, meaning that the newspaper per se doesn't have a preferred political line.

That's not quite correct. Journalists get paychecks, and whoever pays the checks usually controls the content and style of the articles published. Take a look at l'OdJ's main financial contributor, do the same for Annahar and u would know why these 2 newspapers have changed their political views from 2005 till now.

Now how to remedy, one of the solutions should be to hire a PR firm to take care of showing the real image of FPM.

That's needed badly, but not to remedy the "journalists" problem bc it's unsolvable. It's needed to enhance FPM's image in the eyes of the regular citizen. Do not focus on a losing case like pacifying the journalists.

Organizing press conferences, getting journalists (skeptical ones are prefferred) into a small gathering letting them ask all kinds of questions and answer with whole honesty.

but the issue is that skepticism doesn't play a role here. There is an entire scheme to destroy FPM in the media, and these journalists are hired for a specific job. Ur proposal might work in a western country where the media is less controlled by the politicians and where journalists possess integrity, but in Lebanon it surely is not the case.

Let them see the real face of the FPM.

U're giving them too much credit. When someone invents scenarios, fabricates lies, promotes them, and keeps repeating them for 2-3 years, then that so called journalist is a lost cause.

A PR campaign should be organized to get them close to us and not get them away from us by asking them to be judged!!

better direct ur efforts where it counts and where ur work can have some effect. Usually, one does a PR campaign to attract the masses, doing one for journalists is both odd and useless as journalists are already informed about the its and bits of everything. And their articles are written with full conscience and knowledge about the situation in Lebanon.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Let's play by the rules and win by the rules

And what are those rules,according to you...may i ask?

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

That's not quite correct. Journalists get paychecks, and whoever pays the checks usually controls the content and style of the articles published. Take a look at l'OdJ's main financial contributor, do the same for Annahar and u would know why these 2 newspapers have changed their political views from 2005 till now.

Just to correct some misconceptions here:

1) If you actually read Scarlet Haddad and Michel Hajji Georgiou who receive their paychecks from the same people who give them Ziad Makhoul and Michel Touma, you realize that the former are pro-FPM and the latter anti-FPM.

2) Before 2005 if L'OLJ were pro-FPM does this mean that they were getting their paychecks from Aoun ??

That's needed badly, but not to remedy the "journalists" problem bc it's unsolvable. It's needed to enhance FPM's image in the eyes of the regular citizen. Do not focus on a losing case like pacifying the journalists.

Journalists are your faster and best way to get to the people.

Remember that during the 2006 war Hezbollah had their biggest victory in that field; they won the media war eventhough a lot of journalists were against them; they managed to show them something else.

So, getting the journalists against you isn't the best way to win the elections or make new friends.

but the issue is that skepticism doesn't play a role here. There is an entire scheme to destroy FPM in the media, and these journalists are hired for a specific job. Ur proposal might work in a western country where the media is less controlled by the politicians and where journalists possess integrity, but in Lebanon it surely is not the case.

This is what we call Change and Reform my friend, if you don't want to play by the rules than join the FM and the LFs, if you want something to change then start with yourself.

U're giving them too much credit. When someone invents scenarios, fabricates lies, promotes them, and keeps repeating them for 2-3 years, then that so called journalist is a lost cause.

Sure, but others aren't and that's why I'm asking the FPM not to close any doors

better direct ur efforts where it counts and where ur work can have some effect. Usually, one does a PR campaign to attract the masses, doing one for journalists is both odd and useless as journalists are already informed about the its and bits of everything. And their articles are written with full conscience and knowledge about the situation in Lebanon.

Read again what I wrote about Hezbollah's war.

Ba3den how do you want to attract the masses if these people get their news through this same media that you want to take on.

Not everyone wants to go to a meeting to learn about the FPM, actually less than 10% do that, the rest of the people get their points of views through normal media, and this means newspapers, radio and TV and ALL of them, not just your media.

Don't forget that the ones who already only watch OTV, Manar, NewTv and NBN are voting for you... What you want to do is get the others who don't vote for you to do so

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Just to correct some misconceptions here:

1) If you actually read Scarlet Haddad and Michel Hajji Georgiou who receive their paychecks from the same people who give them Ziad Makhoul and Michel Touma, you realize that the former are pro-FPM and the latter anti-FPM.

2) Before 2005 if L'OLJ were pro-FPM does this mean that they were getting their paychecks from Aoun ??

I figured u would bring the case of Scarlett and Michel Georgiou. As u know, every newspaper how much biased it is must still give the other opinion just to give the impression that it's not "completely" bias. Scarlett and Georgiou are kept just to attract the readers of the others aka the opposition readers, mainly FPM ones. This in now way negates the fact that the main policy of l'OdJ is extremely pro-loyalist.
Take al Akhbar and Addiyar for example. They too have loyalist journalist, although both of them are opposition oriented newspapers.

By the way, u keep repeating that L'OdJ was pro-FPM in 2005, that is not correct. In 2005, L'OdJ was more neutral than today, but it certainly wasn't pro-FPM. We also should not forget that the strategy to destroy FPM through the media didn't come into effect until after the 2005 elections.

Journalists are your faster and best way to get to the people.

I honestly do not think so. First, newspapers are losing their prestige and aura, and are being overrun by the televised and radio media.
Practically all newspapers are in financial difficulty, and that is due to the sharp decrease in sales. Not many still buy newspapers while they can just tune in to any channel and find out about all the news live.
But let's say u are correct, after the harsh attacks FPM suffered by the lebanese journalists, following ur statement, FPM should have lost its audience. It didn't happen, bc very few ppl still take the opinion of journalists as facts.

Remember that during the 2006 war Hezbollah had their biggest victory in that field; they won the media war eventhough a lot of journalists were against them; they managed to show them something else.

what did they show them?

So, getting the journalists against you isn't the best way to win the elections or make new friends.

U're getting it all wrong. It's not FPM who is antagonizing the journalists. It's the journalists who are pushed to attack FPM regardless of FPM's reaction vis-a-vis the journalists.

This is what we call Change and Reform my friend, if you don't want to play by the rules than join the FM and the LFs, if you want something to change then start with yourself.

how does that relate to what I was saying? U want to convince us that FPM is the one pushing away the journalists while it's a plot and an entire strategy set to bring FPM down.

Sure, but others aren't and that's why I'm asking the FPM not to close any doors

Again, FPM nor does have the keys of the door nor is its designer. Heck, FPM was not even near the door when it was open. Once it arrived, the door was slammed shut in its face.

Read again what I wrote about Hezbollah's war.

Ba3den how do you want to attract the masses if these people get their news through this same media that you want to take on.

Do adds, use every invitation by the opponent TVs to spread FPM's vision and better explain the party's actions, push the activists to work on the ground, etc...but as far as pacifying these media by being nice to them it just isn't an available option to begin with.

Not everyone wants to go to a meeting to learn about the FPM, actually less than 10% do that, the rest of the people get their points of views through normal media, and this means newspapers, radio and TV and ALL of them, not just your media.

Don't forget that the ones who already only watch OTV, Manar, NewTv and NBN are voting for you... What you want to do is get the others who don't vote for you to do so

U are talking about one thing and I'm talking about another. I'm just saying that it's a futile attempt to work on "not antagonizing the opponent media" bc these media outlets have already set their mind on attacking FPM, regardless of FPM's reaction towards them.

[shadow1]

The FPM should in its budget appropriations allocate funds to bribes in the form of grants. Journalists like politicians and public officials love bribes and it's the most effective way to show them how wrong they are. Alternatively if that doesnt work, it must not hold back and go for gouging the eyes out or cutting off the limbs of those recalcitrant journalists or whatever other forms of mutilation that might excite a bloodthirsty population.

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Canadian

Maybe, maybe not...

Why close all the doors?

If you have a better proposal please do, anything can help us

Actually, keep up the critics, just as GMA is doing. No need for hypocrisy...

L'Orient le Jour would have been penalized in Europe for the headlines they had in the paper. The problem is not FPMs approach or GMAs approach to the media it is actually the media approach to journalism and objectivity.

L'OLJ could have criticised HA as much as they wanted, for the helicopter incident, in an editorial or opinion article but they can not deliberately make up some story to create sectarian trouble hoping that it will hurt some political party (FPM). GMA is right in his critics and should not stop until the media starts respecting themselves.

By judging your comments you have reacted negatively to the critics and seem have preferred that GMA should have shut up instead. If you are worried about FPM popularity then it’s not by being a hypocrite that it will grow but rather by being straightforward. If Lebanese media would be more objective and correct then you wouldn't need to worry about FPM popularity.