New Saudi-Syrian relation: Lebanese Translation

[ceaoun]

We all remember how GMA was treated and the coalition assembled against him during the Syrian occupation. Labeled "zionist" traitor etc... .

We all remember how GMA was treated and the coalition assembled against him during the Non-Syrian occupation. Labeled Syrian traitor etc... .

Do we know how he is going to be treated and labeled during the next phase of new Saudi-Syrian good relation when Sa3doun will start having a good sisterly relation with Syria?

We all know that Sa3doun is growing up, he is maturing in politics; they taught him how to forgive in politics; he will say it one day: will forgive the Syrians(or whomever) but we won't forget and he will be the prime minister for years to come and taef will stay the same.

We all know that the Syrians don't care much for GMA; they will always be against him getting power because they know they will never be able to get him to work for them against his own people and his own country.

On the other hand they can always count on jumblat , Sa3doun and their alikes because they know these people are after their personal interests and sometimes(many times) those interests coincide with the Syrian ones.

How will they attack GMA? How will they try to prevent him from getting his way?

What will they shout in their gathering? Sa3d Jarou soury?

Or will they start shouting Aoun German Shepherd Amercani as their masters will instruct them to do?

regards

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by ceaoun

We all remember how GMA was treated and the coalition assembled against him during the Syrian occupation. Labeled "zionist" traitor etc... .

So true. Later on it wasnt so bad being a zionist traitor after all.

We all remember how GMA was treated and the coalition assembled against him during the Non-Syrian occupation. Labeled Syrian traitor etc... .

That is because the the zionist traitor was tried before and proved to be false. A leabnese has to be either a Syrian or an Israeli traitor. Other nationalities dont even arouse interest.

Do we know how he is going to be treated and labeled during the next phase of new Saudi-Syrian good relation when Sa3doun will start having a good sisterly relation with Syria?

We dont know for sure but we can guess. I reckon they will treat him as a fgriendless person or even worse as someone who has one friend.

We all know that Sa3doun is growing up, he is maturing in politics; they taught him how to forgive in politics; he will say it one day: will forgive the Syrians(or whomever) but we won't forget and he will be the prime minister for years to come and taef will stay the same.

How horrid it is to imagine sa3doun as a prime minister with the Taef as our constitution. We have nothing to look forward to but empty rhetoric, corruption scandals, briberies,political assassinations, street clashes, strikes and few battles and explosions here and there.. the usual.
Knowing that will of that will undoubtedly happen , in a strange way, I am glad Sa3doun in our next prime minister. Byestehel kell halmashakel 7atta law 7afaz 3a nouss l khazeeneh.

We all know that the Syrians don't care much for GMA; they will always be against him getting power because they know they will never be able to get him to work for them against his own people and his own country.

Not all are his own people and even if they were they'd still differ with him on their definition of "his own country". Maybe Aoun should outsmart all his political opponents and work for the Syrians if they can help him and, through him, all the people desperate to be helped by him.

On the other hand they can always count on jumblat , Sa3doun and their alikes because they know these people are after their personal interests and sometimes(many times) those interests coincide with the Syrian ones.

It wouldnt think they should be blamed for making their interests with the Syrians one and the same.Just think iff the people can alighn their interests with those of Sa3doun and Junblatt and the syrians you get a win-win situation. Hinni Lness 3aneedeen.

How will they attack GMA? How will they try to prevent him from getting his way?

Because they are jealous of his special relationship with HA, they will try to steal HA away and to their side and sideline Aoun and treat him like a man who cant get his way on his own.
The way to prevent him getting his own way is simple. ignore him, shou baddou ya3moul ya3ni. Kam tasree7 istinkari? To that they will say we heard it all before. They are bad people Junblatt and his friends in the Lebanon awwalan coalition.

What will they shout in their gathering? Sa3d Jarou soury?

We are not sure yet but no matter what their cousins accross the boulevard are better at shouts in their gatherings, and they may learn a thing or two from them.
What do you actually mean by this question?

Or will they start shouting Aoun German Shepherd Amercani as their masters will instruct them to do?

This one is very doubtful. The Americans do not like Aoun at alll, let alone want him to be their German Sepherd? But you guessed it. They will shout how their Masters will tell them as if there cannot be any relationships outside the sphere of master-slave.
Anyhow let the Syrians and the Saudis get lovy lovy first and then will see how egypt will react to that and Iran and pakistan and we can throw in Lybia for good measure.

[N.A.N]

I'm smelling a sense of ''I'm forgetting I'm in Lebanon.''

When there were US elections the country was calmn, when there were Iranian elections the country was calmner, and when the S-S relation improves to become a strategic alliance (although doubtful since Iran has got Syria in it's small pocket & USA has got Saudi - ah but then US and Iran could become hommies.. well kind of off topic) but irrespective of what we cease to forget, ALL OUR POLITITIANS are influenced by the outside, and you said in the title of the thread.. ''Lebanese Translation...'' what happens out of our borders only affects within out borders because every single party has influence from the outside and are being used to ''translate'' wants onto our land..

[SputNik]

You raise some pretty good points that are hard to argue with.
If we were to be honest we have to admit that GMA won't be more politically comfortable in the future as much as he is now despite the internal/international wars launched against him, the worst (regarding FPM) is yet to come.
The "S-S" equation will only be executed and work internally if it's main goal is to target and finish GMA, now knowing how strong he stands among Christians i doubt it'll be an easy political war, we can't count too much on our allias because most if not all of them are attached to an international agenda, how far they are attached and willing to follow orders determines how hard or easy it will be for General Aoun to stand still, but as far as the max limit given to 14 Marchers i think they will do everything and take advantage of whatever is possible to put an end to him.

[N.A.N]

Originally Posted by SputNik

You raise some pretty good points that are hard to argue with.
If we were to be honest we have to admit that GMA won't be more politically comfortable in the future as much as he is now despite the internal/international wars launched against him, the worst (regarding FPM) is yet to come.
The "S-S" equation will only be executed and work internally if it's main goal is to target and finish GMA, now knowing how strong he stands among Christians i doubt it'll be an easy political war, we can't count too much on our allias because most if not all of them are attached to an international agenda, how far they are attached and willing to follow orders determines how hard or easy it will be for General Aoun to stand still, but as far as the max limit given to 14 Marchers i think they will do everything and take advantage of whatever is possible to put an end to him.

But how far do you think GMA is politically uninfluenced from the inside and out?

[SputNik]

Originally Posted by N.A.N

But how far do you think GMA is politically uninfluenced from the inside and out?

Well that's too easy to figure, just look at how many countries and local parties want him down and willing to do whatever it takes to eliminate him, You think they would devote that much time and money to fight an influenced person that vows to orders ? He wasn't exaggerating when he said there's a cosmic war against FPM. They tried everything and now they are trying their best and last shot, going to Syria to play their last card, that's a tricky one and hard to tell what the consequences are going to be, the syrian politics regarding Lebanon is a mystery, will they backstab GMA or keep things neutral and balanced ? There's a lot of questions that will be unanswered until things are cleared up, we're gonna have to wait and see how far Syria will let 14 Marchers in, it depends if the Syrians will go back to their old habit or not.

[N.A.N]

Originally Posted by SputNik

Well that's too easy to figure, just look at how many countries and local parties want him down and willing to do whatever it takes to eliminate him, You think they would devote that much time and money to fight an influenced person that vows to orders ? He wasn't exaggerating when he said there's a cosmic war against FPM. They tried everything and now they are trying their best and last shot, going to Syria to play their last card, that's a tricky one and hard to tell what the consequences are going to be, the syrian politics regarding Lebanon is a mystery, will they backstab GMA or keep things neutral and balanced ? There's a lot of questions that will be unanswered until things are cleared up, we're gonna have to wait and see how far Syria will let 14 Marchers in, it depends if the Syrians will go back to their old habit or not.

To an extent I couldn't agree more, but you said it yourself
''will they backstab GMA or keep things neutral and balanced ?''
Why would GMA care if he's backstabbed or not since he is totally independent.. and keep what balanced? The extent the Syrians control their proxies in Lebanon? Or decide to ''change'' them. Btw I don't think thats immensily possible since as stated before.. Iran & Saudi are day by day playing a bigger role within our borders.. who to give allegence to, because if you don't theyll find someone who will. Eg. FM & HA
Just to note: I'm not at 14er but niether 8er.. just an observer so khedne 3ala 2ad 3a2le.

[SputNik]

Originally Posted by N.A.N

To an extent I couldn't agree more, but you said it yourself
''will they backstab GMA or keep things neutral and balanced ?''
Why would GMA care if he's backstabbed or not since he is totally independent and keep but balanced? The extent the Syrians control their proxies in Lebanon or decide to ''change'' them. Btw I don't think thats immensily possible since as stated before.. Iran Saudi is day by day playing a bigger role within our borders.. who to give allegence to, because if you don't theyll find someone who will. Eg. FM & HA
Just to note: I'm not at 14er but niether 8er.. just an observer so khedne 3ala 2ad 3a2le.

By backstabbing I meant that the Syrians might strengthen 14 March figures and then they will cash it in with politics, when these people get more field space to play with they will stop at nothing to release their hatred.
So if they guarantee the Syrians and become on their safe side, get the Iranians approval because such move will not pass unless they leave HA's weapons out of discussion, then remain under the American, European, Saudi custody, what's gonna stop them from executing their plan when GMA is immune to any of the mentioned countries influences ?

[N.A.N]

Originally Posted by SputNik

By backstabbing I meant that the Syrians might strengthen 14 March figures and then they will cash it in with politics, when these people get more field space to play with they will stop at nothing to release their hatred.
So if they guarantee the Syrians and become on their safe side, get the Iranians approval because such move will not pass unless they leave HA's weapons out of discussion, then remain under the American, European, Saudi custody, what's gonna stop them from executing their plan when GMA is immune to any of the mentioned countries influences ?

True that, I'm with you on that point. But we should keep in mind the 180degree turn that FPM took when GMA came to Lebanon.. for him to drastically change from one side to the other , allying with the party that sometime in the past he attacked along with the country that he visited and recieved on the red carpet.. he MUST have guarantees from HA, the Syrian and Iranian regimes.. in the end he did lose his Sunni support (which was around 25% of his supporters) and other Christians- in summary he lost much support- but the opportunity cost was much larger.
I generally hope he doesnt get ''lost in translation''

[DITOU]

they tried and used every single adjectives .....they even called him mad man ... nothing much is left .

those lunatics and their masters are capable of everything halucination and unlimited hate can make them go to the extreem and accuse him of "witchcraft" , sorcery or voodoo ... this country is soooooo crazy !