The new Left

[thh00]

Communism and Marx were one of the biggest zionist inventions of all time.

Amazing argument! Strong, well structured, logical and very convincing!

[LebanesePride]

So you disagree or was it just a comment on my argumentative skills?
Do you deny the zionist involvement in the rise of communism?

[thh00]

So you understood that I was making fun of your argumentative skills. You must be pretty smart!

Zionism started in Basle conference in 1890. The socialist ideal was present since the last 18th century with part of the french revolutionaries. Marx started writing in 1840, and this book communist manifesto was published in 1848. Marxism and zionism are in total contradiction, for the former talks about unity of the classes regardless of religion and nationality while the latter talks about unity of memebers of a religion against others.

[liberte_toujours]

LebanesePride, metl el 3ade, we are talking about the left, u keep bringing the ISRAEL and zionism thing into it... :) Eza fi chi mnel ossa, enno Zionism was forged in order to counter marx' ideas in the future!!!! (Kinda like Psychology and Sociology with Freud V/S Durkheim, w hayde EZA CHI)

Mouhemm, the ideology of the neo-marxists differs so much from the integral marxists, and the neo-dependentists (post-Amin ideology) also differs from neo-marxism...

[BybLos]

Originally Posted by thh00

Byblos,
I said do not talk in the name of the left, and appear as you are a leftist when you know nothing about it.
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well u havnt anyright for forbidden me expressin my ideas or sayin whtever i want , im proudly qawmi ijtema3i , we consider it a non exrimist left with a long history of strugglin for our ideas , u as democratic left i escpect a big fail for u coz ur ideas r not obvious and ur goals r mesterious sorry man bas haida ra2ye

referin to the subject , if u consider ur self a leftist plz go and deffreniate well b/w marxism , leninsm and stalinism , and also trotysky's l omamye l rab3a

i wont go in a thread with u coz ur ideas r mlakhbateen b ba3ed

[LebanesePride]

Chou khass zionist IDEAS and marxist IDEAS? of course zionism talks nothing about classes and whatnot. However, i am speaking about the goals and consequences of communism as they have happened.
Masalan, jewish organizations in the U.S. have always encouraged and pushed for loose immigration laws and civil rights for blacks and mexicans. All jews there including zionists have liberal agendas.
Which they do the complete opposite in israel. The same organizations that support one thing in a country support the opposite in Israel.
Jewish presence worldwide has always promoted a "were all equal" internationalist ideal for other people while at the same time promoting a very racist and protective ideal for its own people.
Communism in Russia was, in 1917, plain and simple, jews taking over in a country where they were once oppressed. I dont think i need to enumerate the high numbers of jews that were involved, both in the political movement and assassinations that followed.

[thh00]

we consider it a non exrimist left

SSNP ideology is based on race and the concept of nation for this race. This is in contradiction with the international ideal of the left.
Anyway, noone is forbidding you anything except to talk in the name of someone else's movement. You are SSNP, I am Yad, this should be clear. Now, if this is clear we can discuss as much as you want.
Other than that, I have problem understanding what you write.

[thh00]

referin to the subject , if u consider ur self a leftist plz go and deffreniate well b/w marxism , leninsm and stalinism , and also trotysky's l omamye l rab3a

Another difference between us is that I have my ideas that are a mixture of marxist and non-marxist ideas. I do not follow one person's thoughts as if he is a prophet. If you are asking me about Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism and Trotskism. I disagree with Lenin on his major ideas and especially the idea of revolution. Therefore, I disagree with Stalin and Trotsky per se. As for Marxism, it is a methodology and an ideology that has had a major contribution in the left movement without being the sole source.
Also, if you want to expand your horizons, you should add to your list: Kautsky, Bernestein, Rosa Luxembourg, Kropotkin and many others that contributed to the leftist ideas.

[BybLos]

Originally Posted by thh00

SSNP ideology is based on race and the concept of nation for this race. This is in contradiction with the international ideal of the left.
Anyway, noone is forbidding you anything except to talk in the name of someone else's movement. You are SSNP, I am Yad, this should be clear. Now, if this is clear we can discuss as much as you want.
Other than that, I have problem understanding what you write.

SSNP is not based on a race as its spread !!
the opposite is true
great syria is build of many many races which forms a unique mixture

man to discuss an ssnp member u have to know whts AL QAWMYE L IJTEMA3YE
u as a leftist to discuss u i have to know minumum about left

ya3ni wht i want to tell u over here , ino we r of many races originally , but tht join us the land so how come we will b racist
ino ok we r not omamyeen
bas in the principles of SSNP the 4 th principle is with talkin socialist economic solutions to save the ppl of great syria from the bourgouise
and capitalism

we r not rightist , we have many relegions , we r of many races , we r with openin the borders but after and only after bulidin our strong nation with a real true " nahda " dun forget tht valdimir olyanov illich " lenin " started and " 3tamad " 3ala l polsavic race

regards

[Lebanon_not_Arabic]

to save the ppl of great syria from the bourgouise and capitalism

great syria? what is that? when was it created? where are its historical boundaries? do we all share a common history even if we are from different race? maybe we need to open another forum about that...i'll leave it to the discretion of the moderator