The new Left

[guichardin]

what about the USA?
what is your opinion regarding the USA? do you consider it an Ally ? or a Capitaliste Satan ?what's your opinion regarding the USA war on terror?

Cause as far as i am concerned FPM links himself to the new US policy regarding Democratie and war on Terror

[X]

Guichardin can you please let the FPM members speak on the behalf of FPM?

[guichardin]

you missed this phrase: "Cause as far as i am concerned " ..i didn't confirmed anything , just an opinion and a personal view and analyse

[Incognito]

I consider myself towards the left, so I will take this opportunity to answer your questions.

- Are you the new generation of those who participated in the war along with PLO and Syrian army against Lebanese?

Quite a blunt opening question. I didn't know there was a single Lebanese side. Last I checked there were several Lebanese sides to choose from.

- Is Syrian army occupation army?

I would use the term dominate rather than occupy. An occupation refers to declared direct rule. Syria hasn't annexed Lebanon, nor is it officially recognised as being a direct decision maker, like for example the US in Iraq. But it is a powerbroker and THE dominant player in Lebanon. Terminology doesn't phase me though, it is in everyone's best interests that they leave.

- Do you put the Palestinian cause before the Lebanese cause?

No, I tie them together. The Lebanese cause, in my opinion, is building a strong, modernised and reformed country. A strong Lebanon is great for the Lebanese and the Palestinian cause as they will finally have an Arab neighbour who has a credible voice.

- Do you believe in peace with Israel or you think they don’t have the right to exist and we should be in a war with them till we eliminate them?

No I don't recognise Israel's right to exist, and that's because they don't recognise the Palestinian right to exist. The Israelis barged in on the neighbourhood uninvited, uprooted a people, and are demanding its neighbours recognise it. I don't think so. Lebanon, once reformed and strong, needs to push Palestinian justice and rights. It cannot give up on the right of return. Peace with Israel without finding a solution for the Palestinians is treachery and I will be ashamed to be Lebanese if this ever eventuates.
However, we have to acknowledge that there is now an Israeli generation that calls the Holy Land home. What we need to preach is co-existence. Whether it leads to war or peace is up to Israel, so long as we stick to what is just.

[liberte_toujours]

The Israelis barged in on the neighbourhood uninvited, uprooted a people

I thought they bought most of the land from the palestinians!

[xrenegade]

nice answer incognito but i wished some of the members of al yassar al dimocrateh were here for i am not the man to speak in their name.

I can state my opinion and a bit of their reflections about these issues. i am sorry for not being able to answer your questions fast and be elaborate because of work commitments.

as far as i am concerned, USA is the tyrant of the world these days. oil and power are their aim. they violate human rights treaties while they are calling for human rights treaty abidance. sorry to say this but the UN is USA and USA is the UN and USA rules the world and a bunch of idiots are rulling the greatest country in the world.

Please watch fehrenheit 911 and you will know what i mean. i will not be another doll in the line. If you watch "the wall" for pink floyd for those of you who love music, you will know what i am talking about.

sorry to link it to so many movies like this which some might laugh at but i learnt to read between the lines.

let me state one fact and reason why i see the USA intervetion in lebanon is a threart:

- Palestinians will be settled in lebanon with any cost needed.
- Isreal will dominate the middle east

I demand as a person that syria will go out of lebanon without the help of anyone not even china or kuba or russia. Most of the new leftists have this vision and you can check.

No I don't recognise Israel's right to exist, and that's because they don't recognise the Palestinian right to exist. The Israelis barged in on the neighbourhood uninvited, uprooted a people, and are demanding its neighbours recognise it. I don't think so. Lebanon, once reformed and strong, needs to push Palestinian justice and rights. It cannot give up on the right of return. Peace with Israel without finding a solution for the Palestinians is treachery and I will be ashamed to be Lebanese if this ever eventuates.
However, we have to acknowledge that there is now an Israeli generation that calls the Holy Land home. What we need to preach is co-existence. Whether it leads to war or peace is up to Israel, so long as we stick to what is just.

I dont preach coexistance for there are more masacres that the zionists have perfromed than the ones in the humanity's history. the ways of violating the human rights of palestinians are over what you can imagine.

USA is silent about this. you want me to ally with them? ask yourself these questions:
why is not the USA asking isreal to stop its nuclear weaponry development?
How could the USA not talk about the masacres in palestine?
the raping of people and lands?
the killing of children?
The human armors used in jenine?
more issues than this forum can take.
all the other issues that are there and no one talks about.

USA cares for oil and power. in the end, sadam "tried to kill my dady!!!!!!!!!!!!"

no comment..............

[xrenegade]

One of new left will be in soon

[Incognito]

Most of the land?

If you've been watching Israeli TV, that's probably right.

The figure was no more than 5% of all of Palestine.

[thh00]

Although a member of the Democratic Left Movement, I do not represent them for I have not been given the responsibility of representing them. I would strongly suggest that after the "constituting mo'tamar" happens, you invite someone elected to address your concerns.

As for my answers to the questions above:

- Are you the new generation of those who participated in the war along with PLO and Syrian army against Lebanese?

The Lebanese civil war was a war between different Lebanese sides who all used foregin power to overpower their opponents. For example. the Syrian army first intervened in 1976 against the left and the PLO, and then it switched sides. Let's not live in the past, recognize that all sides made mistakes in the war and start a new page.

- Is Syrian army occupation army?

Again, the answer cannot be yes or no. The Syrian army presence in Lebanon is not the main problem. For me, what is a real problem is the political hegemony over Lebanon and the dictation on us of what should be our policy. This is insured through different ways like using the allies, the presence of intelligence services and the presence of the army. Thus, the presence of the Syrian army on Lebanese soil is only one side of the problem.

- Do you put the Palestinian cause before the Lebanese cause?

The Palestinian cause is a very important one from a humanistic point of view first as well as from a Lebanese point of view since what happens in a neighbouring country cannot but affect us. I don't know what the Lebanese cause means, but I know that a free, secular, democratic Lebanon is a first priority for us as Lebanese as well as a chance for our neighbours to have change coming their way. If you mean by your question to hint that the traditional left supported the palestinian cause on the expense of Lebanon, then once again I think you are oversimplifying. But that's not the subject of our discussion

- Do you believe in peace with Israel or you think they don’t have the right to exist and we should be in a war with them till we eliminate them?

Israel defines itself as a country for jews, by this definition it is a racist country and a struggle against racism and racist ideologies is a duty on every humanitarian. The apartheid regime in South Africa was condemned by all humanitarian in the world, and it was the pressure on governments by humanitarian that led to the embargo against South Africa until the regime fell. I think that our duty towards Palestine is the same. However, in the current situation, with the Palestinian having renounced the armed struggle and opted for peace, I back the Palestinian choice for noone is more royalist that the king. However, even if peace is achieved, the struggle against zionism and racism will continue in different ways.
Someone pointed that Israel bought all the land from the Palestinian, that's not true for most of the land was confiscated after the 1948 exodus. The Israeli had bought some land but until the eve of the 1948 war, they were still a minority in Palestine and had not more than 10-15% of the land.
Regards,

[guichardin]

chou i see this forum filled by leftists?
where are the FPM ya jame3a?
Ya X be careful in what is going on here, do not let those leftists attack the USA.

Sincerely